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  • Republicans, abortions and transvaginal ultrasounds

    In the past 6 months or so, a considerable number of GOP controlled state legislatures have passed or attempted to pass legislation to shame and humiliate women who want to get an abortion by way of REQUIRING them to have a vaginal ultrasound (which requires a device to be inserted in the vagina) among other restrictions (such as having to hear a verbal description of the fetus or hear the heartbeat, etc.)

    Some of these bills do NOT include an exception for rape or incest.

    Here's how the state by state breakdown works out:

    Texas: Ultrasound law was passed, then challenged in court. Judge ruled in favor of Texas. Women wanting an abortion must now get vaginal ultrasound in Texas.

    Pennsylvania, Idaho, Alabama, Illinois are all in the process of developing similar legislation, as are Florida, North Carolina, Arizona and Kansas.

    Virginia had attempted to pass a similar bill, but after a ton of backlash from women, including a large silent protest held outside the state legislature, the bill was modified to remove the required ultrasound. It's still highly restrictive however.

    Mississippi has a bill (due to come into effect on July 1 of this year) that, while it would not specifically require a vaginal ultrasound, DOES require a pre-abortion ultrasound to be done under the condition that the resulting image "must be of a quality consistent with standard medical practice in the community."

    Since most abortions happen early on in a pregnancy, that means the majority of ultrasounds will be done during this phase. The best way to do an ultrasound early on in pregnancy is vaginally.

    I consider myself pro-life, BUT I believe that ultimately a woman has the right to decide what to do with her body. I say that as a Christian and I say that God gave us free will so we could choose how we want to live, regardless of how He may feel about a particular lifestyle. I do not hate/dislike or consider inferior any class of people anywhere in the world.

    I do have two major issues with the ultrasound bills though:

    1) We have more pressing economic and social issues at the state and federal level. Is it really necessary to spend all this time and effort to try and roll back women's rights?

    2) I don't think it is fair for anyone to try and FORCE their beliefs or morality on another, which is what I believe these bills are doing. The Bible does teach believers to spread the gospel and teach about Jesus, but there's a huge difference between teaching about Jesus and trying shove Christianity down someones throat by trying to restrict their behavior so it falls in line with certain moral and philosophical views.

    If I put a gun to someone's head and tell them to accept Jesus or I will pull the trigger and they say they accept Jesus, that accomplishes ABSOLUTELY nothing for me or the person I'm threatening. In fact, it's ridiculously counterproductive and goes against many teachings of Christ.

    These bills are inappropriate, end of story.
    Last edited by Crazedclerkthe2nd; 02-28-2012, 04:25 AM.

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    I'm wondering: do they force the woman's eyes open? Do they force her ears to be open? I can see someone just sticking blue-tack or similar in their ears and closing their eyes to avoid all the requirements.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by fireheart17 View Post
      I'm wondering: do they force the woman's eyes open? Do they force her ears to be open? I can see someone just sticking blue-tack or similar in their ears and closing their eyes to avoid all the requirements.
      I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Could you explain?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Boozy View Post
        I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Could you explain?
        Sorry, I was kind of writing it up mid-lecture so I wasn't thinking straight.

        Basically what I was getting at was that if the aim of the ultrasounds and descriptions of the unborn baby was meant to "shame" those who wanted an abortion, then couldn't the woman just close her eyes and/or shove earplugs into her ears?

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        • #5
          Do they do a clockwork orange style viewing? No, the doctor in most cases just has to point out the baby and any various features he can see. the woman is not forced to watch.

          If the baby is less then a month old its just a lump of cells so, nothing much to see. But the bills proponents think this will make the woman change her mind. The people who submit them do it only to go "Look I am a social Conservative, VOTE FOR ME!"

          Like with the whole birth control issue that is unfolding at the national level. The republicans knew that sex is popular, they knew allot of people use birth control and they knew that contraception was an internal church debate that the church was slowly losing. So they made a token effort to fight it only to say they where for religious liberties and therefor "I am a social Conservative, VOTE FOR ME!".

          But some people who wanted to be more conservative then others Doubled Down on the issue. Going as far as saying birth control turns "Girls" (I say that because I don't remember at any point someone referencing boys and condoms) into "Sluts." Having congressional hearings on the issue and not inviting a single woman to speak.

          Its gotten so bad that during the last debate when the issue was brought up, Gingrich and Romney admonished the Moderator for bringing it up. Santorum however once again double down.


          Well in conclusion to my mini rant, Republicans like screwing with woman's rights because it gets votes. Vote Republican and Keep Woman Barefoot and Pregnant!

          Fuckers

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          • #6
            I find it interesting that the "party of smaller government" has no problem with passing laws like this. I guess they are only for smaller government when it interferes with the "rights" of businesses to pollute and poison us. I just want to know when the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan went into the realm of batshit crazy. Now we have Santorum saying Obama is a snob because he thinks people should be able to go to college. I guess Santorum isn't happy being merely anti-science, he wants to be pro-ignorant as well.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mikoyan29 View Post
              Now we have Santorum saying Obama is a snob because he thinks people should be able to go to college. I guess Santorum isn't happy being merely anti-science, he wants to be pro-ignorant as well.
              Well someone has to wash his car , plus he said hearing JFK's speech on the "wall of separation between church and state" makes him want to vomit.
              Registered rider scenic shore 150 charity ride

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              • #8
                They want government out of their businesses (because regulation interferes with keeping the downtrodden trodden down), but they're all for keeping the government in everybody's bedrooms because most of those laws would affect primarily people who are 'other' than them.

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                Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by fireheart17 View Post
                  Sorry, I was kind of writing it up mid-lecture so I wasn't thinking straight.

                  Basically what I was getting at was that if the aim of the ultrasounds and descriptions of the unborn baby was meant to "shame" those who wanted an abortion, then couldn't the woman just close her eyes and/or shove earplugs into her ears?
                  As my wife put it
                  It's still rape. It is an unwanted and forced intrusion into a womans body being mandated by a group of men who want to shame the women into acting according to their narrow beliefs.

                  It's be like if a man went in for a vasectomy and he was forced to have a big plastic dildo shoved up his ass "just to make sure"

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                  • #10
                    It's not just to shame women or to try to make them suddenly realize that, omg, it's a baby! It's also another financial barrier to abortion. As there are women who have to scramble and beg to scrape together enough money for an abortion as it is (and these are the women who have the later-term abortions, the ones who will see more than a clump of cells), adding another $250 to the cost of the procedure will only decrease the ability of poor women to control their body.

                    Because while some (affluent, primarily white) women might be trusted to have control over their reproductive system, poor women *need* the state to tell them what not to do.

                    Really, though, what consistently irks me about the people who are rabidly pro-life, particularly ones who want to control the ability of economically disadvantaged women to have or not have children, when it comes to caring for those children after birth... there is nothing for them. They can clean the schools, rather than learn in them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cymberleah View Post
                      It's not just to shame women or to try to make them suddenly realize that, omg, it's a baby! It's also another financial barrier to abortion. As there are women who have to scramble and beg to scrape together enough money for an abortion as it is (and these are the women who have the later-term abortions, the ones who will see more than a clump of cells), adding another $250 to the cost of the procedure will only decrease the ability of poor women to control their body.

                      Because while some (affluent, primarily white) women might be trusted to have control over their reproductive system, poor women *need* the state to tell them what not to do.

                      Really, though, what consistently irks me about the people who are rabidly pro-life, particularly ones who want to control the ability of economically disadvantaged women to have or not have children, when it comes to caring for those children after birth... there is nothing for them. They can clean the schools, rather than learn in them.
                      This sentiment can be summed up nicely by a protest sign I saw awhile back:

                      If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fireheart17 View Post
                        Basically what I was getting at was that if the aim of the ultrasounds and descriptions of the unborn baby was meant to "shame" those who wanted an abortion, then couldn't the woman just close her eyes and/or shove earplugs into her ears?
                        I don't think the traumatic part for the woman would be seeing the fetus. It's having an ultrasound wand shoved up your twat in an unnecessary medical procedure.

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                        • #13
                          I'd like to shamefully add Oklahoma to the list of states considering this kinda shit.

                          -_- been on the news almost every day
                          Last edited by Duelist925; 02-29-2012, 06:52 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Nekojin showed me this cartoon, courtesy of the Daily Kos, and I immediately thought of sharing it with the Fratching community.

                            ^-.-^
                            Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Andara Bledin View Post
                              Nekojin showed me this cartoon, courtesy of the Daily Kos, and I immediately thought of sharing it with the Fratching community.

                              ^-.-^
                              Nice.

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