Gay Marriage Plank Will Be In Democratic Party Platform At Convention

[Nekojin]

except that states are not OBLIGED to accept other state DL.

You are mistaken. Look up the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

In fact I've seen people have their IDs confiscated for being "illegal". Why? Because the ID looked expired. The issuing state didn't require active duty military to renew.

The officer in the other state said "we do not recognize that law" and confiscated the ID even though it was perfectly legal.

You're confusing two separate issues. The state you're talking about (the one that doesn't require active duty military to renew) has a law on the books that explicitly recognizes expired licenses as still valid, but only for active-duty military. The license is still expired, and will be treated as such elsewhere.

just as each state has their own rules on marriage. including rules on not just gender, but on age of consent, closeness in family, blood tests (dunno if those are still required tho), just to name a few.

Sure, but we've been down this road before. Some states claimed States' Rights to discriminate against interracial couples. The Supreme Court said NO. And sadly, we'll have to walk the exact same path once again, because some people think they've found an exception. If there's a civil right being dealt with, it makes no sense to have a patchwork of rules about whether or not it's allowed. If it's a right, it can't be taken away. If it can be taken away, it's not a right.

[PepperElf]

You're confusing two separate issues. The state you're talking about (the one that doesn't require active duty military to renew) has a law on the books that explicitly recognizes expired licenses as still valid, but only for active-duty military. The license is still expired, and will be treated as such elsewhere.

Yeah. About that part... I personally know the person who had the ID card confiscated and was informed that the state didn't recognize the rule. Funny thing is he wasn't even the one driving.

You are mistaken. Look up the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

Hmm. 'have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." '

which brings fourth my CCW comment again since it falls into that category, no?

and as i already demonstrated that states have different laws pertaining to marriages, the whole "different set of rules for each state" shouldn't really apply either.


After all, it's not just a civil right, it's one that's specifically named by itself in the constitution.

[Andara Bledin]

Yeah. About that part... I personally know the person who had the ID card confiscated and was informed that the state didn't recognize the rule. Funny thing is he wasn't even the one driving.

Irrelevant. That was an additional benefit granted by a state, not another state restricting a right commonly recognized. It has no bearing on this topic.

and as i already demonstrated that states have different laws pertaining to marriages, the whole "different set of rules for each state" shouldn't really apply either.

And this is totally missing the entire point.

This isn't about different states having different rules. You can keep bringing it back up, but it's not what this is about.

This is specifically about individual states having different rules for different people within their own state.

Marriage is a social contract between two adults. Period.

Dismiss religion; it's irrelevant. If religion had any say in the matter, then atheists would be prohibited from being married.

Dismiss procreation; also irrelevant. Otherwise, the barren would be prohibited from marrying.

What logical reason exists to prevent two adults who happen to be the same sex from entering into such a contract?

Technically, this is as much a matter of sexual discrimination as preference discrimination. Either way, however, it is discrimination and should be as frowned upon as any other discrimination.

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[Jaden]

No, I just know that gay marriage will never win in election in the United States (see the lines out of Chick-Fil-A yesterday if you have any doubt of that)

Yeah, I saw them. They made me angry.

I also saw the many people outside protesting. They made me hopeful.

Gay marriage is going to be a thing within my lifetime. I literally have zero doubt of that. People who don't support it are looking more and more ridiculous every day.

[Greenday]

No, I just know that gay marriage will never win in election in the United States (see the lines out of Chick-Fil-A yesterday if you have any doubt of that)

Gee, I wish a lot of the self-proclaimed Christians who were spending so much energy protesting yesterday spend just half that energy trying to make the world a better place. Go work at a soup kitchen or volunteer your time instead of using it on hate.

[lordlundar]

It's like, "Ugh, they are only trying to make the Republicans look bad!

Lately all that has to be is "have a camera ready when they open their mouths."

[Hyena Dandy]

The closer to the end something gets, the louder the opponents of it are. There were racists for years, but it wasn't until the civil rights movement that we started seeing people abandoning all pretense of rationality over it. I imagine we're getting the same thing here.

We're getting close to the end of all this anti-gay nonsense. Probably no more than a few more years of life left in it. Obviously any time at all is too long, but quite frankly the louder people get, the more crazy they sound. When your viewpoint is accepted, you don't NEED to have a Chik-fil-A appreciation day, because 'acting exactly like everyone else without controversy' can't be called a brave act by any stretch of the imagination. At the most it can be considered acceptable. I mean after all, you wouldn't see lines around the block supporting Burger King's CEO Bernard Hees for wearing pants i all his business organizations.

And the youth is an important point too. Now more than ever, a lot of people who might previously have barely become exposed to homosexuality can look at the sort of stuff put out by Family Research Council saying that the majority of homosexuals are pedophiles and, rather than having the mysterious, unknown of homosexuality they can think "Are they saying Gandalf and Barney Stinson are pedophiles? 'Cause that just doesn't sound right." That and they likely know at least one or two people online who are gay too.

And while it can be frustrating that, for example, I know someone who plans on supporting Romney and told me "Yeah, YOU'D be completely fucked, but (in this case it was 'But Obama is the most anti-technology president we've ever had')" but most people who I've actually gotten to know don't come away from talking to me thinking "Yeah, that guy probably wants to molest small children."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/m...101314711.html

According to this, over 50% of America approves of gay marriage. And that number is growing. It's a controversial matter, that's true. But the controversy is exactly WHY I'm not worried. More and more people are realizing what's important.

It's a lot harder to just ignore problems that you can put a face on. It's easy to hate the spectre of 'The gays' but the concept of Ensign Sulu sneaking into your house to molest your children is, well... A bit laughable.

I recently had a conversation with an online friend. Very conservative Christian, and a young guy. And he asked me why they can't take the word marriage off the law books all-together, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Even people like him who, well, are convinced gays are going to hell see no reason that we shouldn't have rights. Or, in fact, turning to them when life seems to be beating them down.

It's a lot harder to be bigoted against people you know. And that's the reason that I think that, well, this is going to end up right. It's a lot harder to hate someone you know.






To clarify, I'm not saying impossible. Just that it's harder.

[ngc_7331]

It's a lot harder to just ignore problems that you can put a face on. It's easy to hate the spectre of 'The gays' but the concept of Ensign Sulu sneaking into your house to molest your children is, well... A bit laughable.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with one little part here. Sulu was a lieutenant and was promoted all the way up to captain.
/geek

[Duelist925]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with one little part here. Sulu was a lieutenant and was promoted all the way up to captain.
/geek

<Takei voice.>

Oh, myyyy....

</Takei voice>

[Hyena Dandy]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with one little part here. Sulu was a lieutenant and was promoted all the way up to captain.
/geek

I knew it was off.

[Gravekeeper]

Sulu can sneak into my house anytime he wants.

We can bake cookies and talk about boys <3

[smileyeagle1021]

Gay marriage is going to be a thing within my lifetime. I literally have zero doubt of that. People who don't support it are looking more and more ridiculous every day.

I have no doubt that it will happen in our life times, but I also have no doubt it will be the courts and not the voters who make it happen.

Gee, I wish a lot of the self-proclaimed Christians who were spending so much energy protesting yesterday spend just half that energy trying to make the world a better place. Go work at a soup kitchen or volunteer your time instead of using it on hate.

Greenday, you should have seen the coniption my sister in law had when I was talking to her over messenger and she said whether or not you agree with the people supporting Chick-Fil-A, it was nice to see people standing for something... I replied, "I stand for everyone having an opportunity to succeed, so I am volunteering to mentor at youth risk starting in a few weeks, do you know anyone who is at Chick-Fil-A volunteering to help as marriage counselors, or for that matter work to feed the poor or shelter the homeless, or is it all words... by the way, what do you do to make the world a better place?"

[the_std]

Greenday, you should have seen the coniption my sister in law had when I was talking to her over messenger and she said whether or not you agree with the people supporting Chick-Fil-A, it was nice to see people standing for something... I replied, "I stand for everyone having an opportunity to succeed, so I am volunteering to mentor at youth risk starting in a few weeks, do you know anyone who is at Chick-Fil-A volunteering to help as marriage counselors, or for that matter work to feed the poor or shelter the homeless, or is it all words... by the way, what do you do to make the world a better place?"

For a non-Christian, that is a fine example of holier than thou-ism which does nothing to help the actual issue. I understand that your sister-in-law is an ardent Mormon who doesn't agree with many of your views, but does insulting her and her contributions really help your side of things? Hardly.

[Greenday]

For a non-Christian, that is a fine example of holier than thou-ism which does nothing to help the actual issue. I understand that your sister-in-law is an ardent Mormon who doesn't agree with many of your views, but does insulting her and her contributions really help your side of things? Hardly.

No, but if no one points out the hypocrisy to her, it sounds like she'll never figure it out on her own.

[ngc_7331]

For a non-Christian, that is a fine example of holier than thou-ism which does nothing to help the actual issue. I understand that your sister-in-law is an ardent Mormon who doesn't agree with many of your views, but does insulting her and her contributions really help your side of things? Hardly.

Sometimes you just have to come out and say it. Sugar coating doesn't do very much for some people.