Republican Senate Candidate: Female body can shut down a pregnancy in case of rape

[daleduke17]

And no one has posted anything to show how it locks people out of the polls.

Reasons to have an ID (even the free one): proof of who you are if you are physically incapable of saying who you are (medical emergency perhaps), if you are involved in some sort of issue where the police are called to assist they ask for ID, the person has ID to show.

There are a multitude of other reasons.

Also:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...aud/53658158/1

Texas has their heads on straight when it comes to voter fraud (and it includes examples that have actually happened).

[Fire_on_High]

When and if it ever happens (because it hasn't. ever), then people who've had this sort of thing happen can get back to you on that.

Sorry, I find that incredibly hard to believe. No one, nowhere, has ever had a voter who had no right voting, vote for the other guy and make their vote worthless?

However, we have had thousands of legitimate Americans who were denied their right to vote based on pointless, costly, and discriminatory regulations that serve no purpose other than to disenfranchise people.

Sorry but that's fine with me. If I was too poor, stupid, or unlucky to be able to present my ID, I'[d expect to be turned away and HOPE to be. Otherwise, how do they know someone offering my name didn't show up and steal my vote? I'd rather it go to no one than anyone else.

I also don't believe it's discriminatory. If you can't SOMEHOW find the means, no matter how inconvenient, expensive, or annoying, you just don't value your vote much at all. If you value it that much, then having to have an uncomfortable talk with your boss, or eat a bit less, or give up your play toys for a few weeks or even months doesn't seem like a steep price at all to pay for it.

[Andara Bledin]

Sorry, I find that incredibly hard to believe. No one, nowhere, has ever had a voter who had no right voting, vote for the other guy and make their vote worthless?

I never said that. They are not, however, using other people's or nonexistent identities to do so.

Sorry but that's fine with me. If I was too poor, stupid, or unlucky to be able to present my ID, I'[d expect to be turned away and HOPE to be.

That is so completely against what America is supposed to be about it's almost painful. We passed a Constitutional Amendment specifically to point out that being poor is precisely not a reason to prevent a person from voting.

I also don't believe it's discriminatory. I also don't believe it's discriminatory. If you can't SOMEHOW find the means, no matter how inconvenient, expensive, or annoying, you just don't value your vote much at all. I also don't believe it's discriminatory. If you can't SOMEHOW find the means, no matter how inconvenient, expensive, or annoying, you just don't value your vote much at all. If you value it that much, then having to have an uncomfortable talk with your boss, or eat a bit less, or give up your play toys for a few weeks or even months doesn't seem like a steep price at all to pay for it.

And how can preventing a person from voting because they were "poor, stupid, or unlucky" not be discriminatory?

Seriously, your entire final statement reeks so strongly of privilege it's disgusting. It's disgusting that a person can be so utterly ignorant of the very principles upon which the nation was founded and would be so completely nonplussed over the fact that the least privileged of our people should be entirely disenfranchised with a handwave of "oh, if they really cared, they'd do something about it" while completely ignoring the harsh reality of the efforts they have to go through just to find enough food and shelter to survive.

^-.-^

[Fire_on_High]

The truly lovely thing about America is someone who's one minor disaster away from the streets can still manage to have the same attitudes as a guy with a cool million in the bank. What I love most about it actually.

And before you ask...yep, I'm just that broke. One doctor visit, one mechanical failure, one car accident and I'm out on my ass, and I still think the beauty of it is...I'm not the bottom. Nor do I much like being bled so hard to be where I am for those that are.

Also, rather OT: Some bad news about COH Andara, might want to go look it up if you haven't heard.

[guywithashovel]

I see that the discussion has veered into voting ID.

However, I found a couple articles written by people defending Todd Akin. I thought they would be an "interesting" addition to this thread.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...n_of_rape.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/..._on_women.html

And I'd like to call your attention to something in the second article. Notice the author's name: Jeannie DeAngelis. Sounds kind of like a woman's name, doesn't it?

[Nekojin]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/..._on_women.html

And I'd like to call your attention to something in the second article. Notice the author's name: Jeannie DeAngelis. Sounds kind of like a woman's name, doesn't it?

And? She completely glosses over the idea espoused by Todd, namely that a woman who is raped can "magically" shut down the pregnancy. It's purest backcountry folk medicine, not supported by any evidence anywhere. Instead, she wants to focus it on the overall attitude about abortion, and throws a hell of a wild pitch when she suggests that a woman's attitude on abortion is their only value to the Democratic party.

She used Todd's statement to stand on her own soapbox, only marginally related to the original comment. Ironically, that's also the same thing she attacks Boxer and other Democrats over.

[AdminAssistant]

I'd bet a big hunk of money that she's a white, upper class, Christian conservative woman who has never had too many mouths to feed. All she cares about is her little world with cute, white, well mannered babies who have mothers who stay at home, submit to their husbands, and stay quiet in church. She doesn't give a damn about the struggling single mothers on Welfare, or the rape victims (She was probably asking for it anyway, right?), or the women in abusive relationships. She doesn't give a damn about the college students who made a drunken mistake.

Women like this really piss me off.

[Fire_on_High]

His statement is pretty indefensible, but I can make a good guess where he got the idea from.

Stress *can* make it harder to conceive.

This certainly isn't reliable enough to be counted on in any situation, but there's a reason for the anecdotes about a couple trying for years, finally adopting, then turning up pregnant shortly after the adoption.

Useful enough to keep in mind for a couple wishing to have children, and doesn't change a single damn thing where rape is concerned.

[Nekojin]

His statement is pretty indefensible, but I can make a good guess where he got the idea from.

Stress *can* make it harder to conceive.

This certainly isn't reliable enough to be counted on in any situation, but there's a reason for the anecdotes about a couple trying for years, finally adopting, then turning up pregnant shortly after the adoption.

Useful enough to keep in mind for a couple wishing to have children, and doesn't change a single damn thing where rape is concerned.

Yeah. And the link I added to my post shows that the stress of being raped isn't enough to prevent conception. So this theory is handwavy garbage.

[Fire_on_High]

Yeah. And the link I added to my post shows that the stress of being raped isn't enough to prevent conception. So this theory is handwavy garbage.

Oh I agree, he's dead wrong. Only saying that's likely where he got the idea in his head.

[crashhelmet]

I see that the discussion has veered into voting ID.

However, I found a couple articles written by people defending Todd Akin. I thought they would be an "interesting" addition to this thread.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...n_of_rape.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/..._on_women.html

And I'd like to call your attention to something in the second article. Notice the author's name: Jeannie DeAngelis. Sounds kind of like a woman's name, doesn't it?

Yes, the second writer is a woman. There are plenty of women on the Conservative side that willingly back their potential oppressors. Ann Coulter is probably the most notable of them all. Then you have the shrills at Fox like Megyn Kelly that are grooming themselves for the same type of role.

It's possible they don't like it, but toe the party line to keep their paychecks coming in. It's possible they're topics or decisions that don't affect their lifestyles, so they have no problems with them. It's also possible that they're along the lines of their own beliefs.

[lordlundar]

You know, with all the talk about the Voter ID Bull, it seems another incident slipped through the cracks:

Todd Akin Claims Breastmilk Cures Homosexuality

This guy has serious "foot in mouth" disease. In this same particualr interview, he also claimed a conspiracy to falsify fossil records in the name of "radical Darwinism" and Michigan is being converted into the capital of the so called Islamic States of America.

[Duelist925]

Sorry, I find that incredibly hard to believe. No one, nowhere, has ever had a voter who had no right voting, vote for the other guy and make their vote worthless?

Sure. Its happened.

Question is: Has it happened enough times to warrant the kind of shit going on now, that can disenfranchise so many of their right to vote.

And I'm sorry, but if you honestly believe that its "ok" to take away thousands of legitimate citizens right to vote to stop a handful of false votes going through...I can't even articulate how that makes me feel.

Sorry but that's fine with me. If I was too poor, stupid, or unlucky to be able to present my ID, I'[d expect to be turned away and HOPE to be. Otherwise, how do they know someone offering my name didn't show up and steal my vote? I'd rather it go to no one than anyone else.

I also don't believe it's discriminatory. If you can't SOMEHOW find the means, no matter how inconvenient, expensive, or annoying, you just don't value your vote much at all. If you value it that much, then having to have an uncomfortable talk with your boss, or eat a bit less, or give up your play toys for a few weeks or even months doesn't seem like a steep price at all to pay for it.

...Removing...someones right to vote...one of the core rights of being an american citizen...because they cannot afford it...isn't discriminatory?

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Do you even know the definition of discrimination? You honestly believe that someone who cannot afford an id or whats required for one should be stripped of their right to vote? "

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Well. I guess fuck all those single mothers struggling to raise a child on a limited income. Oh, and screw the elder too! They so often live on a fixed income. Or college students! Hey, I'm a poor college student myself. Lucky I have a drivers license, or else I guess I'd just have to suck it up since I can't afford a new ID, hmm? I mean, they all fritter their money away on toys, and lavish food, right? Right?

I mean, WHY would we want the poor, the downtrodden, those who need our country's help the most to vote, to vote for the man who might save them or the man who might destroy the programs that aid them? It's not as if THEY should have a say in something that could very well have a massive impact on their lives.

It's not like America wasn't founded on the backs of poor hard laborer's. Hell, it's not like the Statue of Liberty, one of our nations most cherished symbols has some message about "Give me your tired, your poor..." Or any shit like that.

[Racket_Man]

The people who claim there is little or NO fraud in the American voting system need only to look back 40 years or so and go backwards.

Remember during AT LEAST the first half of the 20th century (and most lilkely the majority of the 19th) most cities major and minor were run by one party or the other called Political Machines. There were also quiet slogans like "Vote early and vote often".

In David McCullens book on Harry Truman he details ballot box stuffing, people changing clothes in cars to vote at multipule voting places throughout the Kansas City area, people trying to steal the actual ballot boxes, and other such clearly illegal tachics to make sure one candidate won. and that candidate was expected to fill all of the jobs (called patronige jobs) with cronnies, hangers on, etc. in city and county halls and award contract to the biggest political contributors.

And that is just a small example in the wider US corruption of votes.

Remants of those Machines still exists even to this day.l

[crashhelmet]

The people who claim there is little or NO fraud in the American voting system need only to look back 40 years or so and go backwards.

Remember during AT LEAST the first half of the 20th century (and most lilkely the majority of the 19th) most cities major and minor were run by one party or the other called Political Machines. There were also quiet slogans like "Vote early and vote often".

In David McCullens book on Harry Truman he details ballot box stuffing, people changing clothes in cars to vote at multipule voting places throughout the Kansas City area, people trying to steal the actual ballot boxes, and other such clearly illegal tachics to make sure one candidate won. and that candidate was expected to fill all of the jobs (called patronige jobs) with cronnies, hangers on, etc. in city and county halls and award contract to the biggest political contributors.

And that is just a small example in the wider US corruption of votes.

Remants of those Machines still exists even to this day.l

Exactly. The Voter fraud we do have to fight is people voting more than once, or both sides telling the other's voters that the polls were closed, moved, or finding otherways to keep them from voting.

This is actually stripping people of their right to vote, not lying to them to try and get them to not vote. Both are bad, but this is worse.