Republican Senate Candidate: Female body can shut down a pregnancy in case of rape

[wolfie]

Apparently, since he's never heard of someone getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest, it's not possible either.

IMNSHO, anyone who doesn't follow the news is too ignorant of what's going on to be qualified to hold office. Wasn't it about a year ago that the case in Germany came to light where a guy had kept his daughter locked up in a basement dungeon for over half her life, and had fathered quite a few children by her?

[lordlundar]

And can you give me a reputable source for that last statement, please?

Doonesbury from July 23, 2012 through till July 28, 2012 is a pretty nice summary of some of the more blatant ones, though other GOP states are enacting similar procedures that serve little more than keeping traditional Democrat voters away from the ballot box.

[Andara Bledin]

Both of those links came up 404.

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[siead_lietrathua]

Both of those links came up 404.

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weird, they worked for me O_O

but ya, i can understand that making ID manditory to vote can eliminate people that can't afford to get a drivers liscence/ passport. but there are also age of magority cards. basically a card that can be used as ID for anyone, even minors.
i looked up a few costs on the DMV.org site and it's not that expensive.
ohio: $8.50 every 4 years
florida: $25 every 8 years (if you're over 14)
Idaho: $10 for a 4 year or $20 for an 8 year.

but alot of people don't know how cheap and easy these IDs are. usualy jsut need a SIN# and birth certificate, and something to prve current address, like a bill.

EDIT: i'm not condoning the act, i'm just saying legal ID isn't impossible for non-drivers.

edit: on-topic, that guy is a douche and i hope he loses his funding. not jsut for being a dumbass, but for being a dumbass in politics. make an example of him, maybe other people will hesitate to be THAT level of ignorant. how the fark does that guy have a wife and not been bitchslapped yet.

[AdminAssistant]

One of the issues with legal ID requirements - college students. Out-of-state college students frequently can't get a legal ID in the state where they live and go to school. States with strict ID laws often refuse to accept out-of-state ID's or student ID's. This forces the college student into absentee balloting in their home district, which is more difficult, time consuming, etc. Not to mention, moves those votes to a different district. Red-state Republicans are trying to eliminate the liberal pockets in towns like Madison, Lawrence, and College Station. That's all this is.

Getting a new ID doesn't just require a little money and a birth certificate/passport (SS cards are not ID, though they will ask for your number). It requires the time to go to the DMV and get one. We're lucky, the local DMV is pretty quick if you don't go at the end/first of the month. But in some towns a trip to the DMV is a 4 hour affair, during working hours. Not everyone can do that.

I would rather allow 1,000 non-citizens to vote than to deny even 1 American citizen the right to vote.

[lordlundar]

weird, they worked for me O_O

but ya, i can understand that making ID mandatory to vote can eliminate people that can't afford to get a drivers license/ passport. but there are also age of majority cards. basically a card that can be used as ID for anyone, even minors.

The states passing (or trying to pass) the voter ID laws are requiring particular ones which are the most expensive. Inexpensive ones like the age of majority cards aren't considered valid under these laws.

There's also the problem that the states doing so have also shut down DMV and licensing bureaus in traditional Democrat voting areas, requiring such people to have to go often times to another county to get their license.

[daleduke17]

The states passing (or trying to pass) the voter ID laws are requiring particular ones which are the most expensive. Inexpensive ones like the age of majority cards aren't considered valid under these laws.

There's also the problem that the states doing so have also shut down DMV and licensing bureaus in traditional Democrat voting areas, requiring such people to have to go often times to another county to get their license.

Oh no, someone may have to drive a little bit to get something done. Boo hoo. Out west in the way rural areas it may be a bit more difficult, but in places like Illinois, most of Missouri and the like one is no more than 30-40 minutes from a Drivers License Bureau. Like right now, I am 15 minutes from McLean Co. (depending on construction right now), 30 from Livingston, Woodford and DeWitt Cos., 35 from Logan Co., and probably 40 from Peoria and Ford Cos. Quite a few people from any of those areas drive to most of the other areas frequently (some everyday). So, it isn't too hard.

Weren't there some states trying to legalize student IDs, but the colleges were crying that it would be too expensive to add "expires on xx/xx/xxxx"?

I would rather the US get away from the Chicago tactic of "vote early, vote often" to where only registered people can vote. Not registered because you were too lazy to get off your ass and register/get an ID? Tough shit. No vote for you. Follow the damn rules.

[Andara Bledin]

Oh no, someone may have to drive a little bit to get something done. Boo hoo.

Spoken like someone who has never been reduced to the lowest tiers on Maslow's Hierarchy.

And if you have, your post shows an particularly astounding lack of empathy.

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[Duelist925]

Oh no, someone may have to drive a little bit to get something done. Boo hoo.

Oh yes, how dare anyone get angry over tactics designed to remove their right to vote. God forbid they don't have a car, or the money for gas, or the time to take shitty public transport. I mean, why would we want THOSE people to vote, hmm?

Out west in the way rural areas it may be a bit more difficult, but in places like Illinois, most of Missouri and the like one is no more than 30-40 minutes from a Drivers License Bureau. Like right now, I am 15 minutes from McLean Co. (depending on construction right now), 30 from Livingston, Woodford and DeWitt Cos., 35 from Logan Co., and probably 40 from Peoria and Ford Cos. Quite a few people from any of those areas drive to most of the other areas frequently (some everyday). So, it isn't too hard.

Most of these people you mention probably have cars. And the money to use up the gas necessary for such trips. Not everyone has such luxuries.

I would rather the US get away from the Chicago tactic of "vote early, vote often" to where only registered people can vote. Not registered because you were too lazy to get off your ass and register/get an ID? Tough shit. No vote for you. Follow the damn rules.

Theres a far cry from "Registerd" and "Id please". Hell, I agree, only registered people should be able to vote.

But registering shouldn't require a twenty five dollar id.

[daleduke17]

Ya know what? Fuck it, let's not check ID, let's not even check if the person is a citizen or registered. Let's just allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to vote. Why should there be any accountability?

Everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they meet the requirement of being a US citizen and proving they are eligible to vote. How hard is it to get an ID? There are several different rates for ID cards including free. Don't know how you can't afford free.

When I say "15 minutes" to the DMV, that is with traffic. It is on several bus lines, next to stores that "common folk" go to and is fairly easy to get to. It is right in the "low income area" of town so anyone can get there. It isn't a lack of ability to get there, it is a lack of want to get there.

[Nekojin]

Ya know what? Fuck it, let's not check ID, let's not even check if the person is a citizen or registered. Let's just allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to vote. Why should there be any accountability?

Everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they meet the requirement of being a US citizen and proving they are eligible to vote. How hard is it to get an ID? There are several different rates for ID cards including free. Don't know how you can't afford free.

When I say "15 minutes" to the DMV, that is with traffic. It is on several bus lines, next to stores that "common folk" go to and is fairly easy to get to. It is right in the "low income area" of town so anyone can get there. It isn't a lack of ability to get there, it is a lack of want to get there.

You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming that everyone's circumstances are similar to your circumstances. Not everyone has the same luxuries and opportunities that you do.

[TheHuckster]

You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming that everyone's circumstances are similar to your circumstances. Not everyone has the same luxuries and opportunities that you do.

Having a state ID is a "luxury"? Damn, I've been shortchanging Uncle Sam on my taxes for the past 12 years. If you have the ability to go to a polling station, I'd think there would be a day out of the year when one can obtain identification.

I agree that we should make voting as simple as possible and it should most definitely be free or as close to free as possible, but I simply don't understand how requiring ID is at all prohibitive to anyone. You can make the case for people not being able to go to the DMV during business hours because of job constraints, but then I'd simply say we should have a few days out of the year where DMVs are open a few extra hours to accomodate them. After all, an ID is already essential to having a bank account, driving, and quite often employment.

[AdminAssistant]

Voting must be completely free. Putting any dollar amount to the right to vote is the same as a poll tax and, therefore, unconstitutional.

[Andara Bledin]

Ya know what? Fuck it, let's not check ID....

Funny thing; there's no more voter fraud in places that don't check ID than there is in places that do. So, checking ID has no effect on fraud: all it does is provide an artificial barrier that disproportionately affects minorities and the poor, and it costs millions to implement, taking funds away from projects that will actually do something potentially positive; voter ID has no positive outcome.

Why Requiring ID at the Polls Is Bad


Quotes of note:

A recent analysis by the PA AFL-CIO found that a quarter of all PA voters who have voted in every Presidential election during the last 50 years lack the ID needed to vote this November.”

Despite the whining and pearl clutching of the GOP, voter fraud is extremely rare. It's only use is preventing the right to vote of those who either can't afford or can't obtain the necessary documents to obtain the state-authorized ID as well as those who can't get to the DMV facilities that issue them.

The claimed intent of these laws is to prevent fraud, but in fact there are almost no cases of voter impersonation. A person is more likely to be struck by lightning than he or she is to vote by pretending to be someone else.

In his paper, published in 2007 and entitled "The Truth About Voter Fraud," Levitt argues that, while stories of election-related fraud "make for enticing press," the reality is that there have only been "a handful of substantiated cases" and that "by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare."

For instance, in Maryland in 1995, investigation revealed that "of 89 allegedly deceased voters, none were actually dead at the time the ballot was cast."

The State of Missouri estimates that the cost of issuing new photo ID’s for their recently passed voter id law to be over $ 20 million dollars in the next three years.

Laws which require voters to present ID disproportionately affect minorities, the poor, and Democratic voters.

I could come up with links like those above all day long.

Can you come up with a single case of voter fraud that a photo ID would have stopped that wasn't so isolated as to be utterly meaningless?

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[crashhelmet]

Having a state ID is a "luxury"? Damn, I've been shortchanging Uncle Sam on my taxes for the past 12 years. If you have the ability to go to a polling station, I'd think there would be a day out of the year when one can obtain identification.

I agree that we should make voting as simple as possible and it should most definitely be free or as close to free as possible, but I simply don't understand how requiring ID is at all prohibitive to anyone. You can make the case for people not being able to go to the DMV during business hours because of job constraints, but then I'd simply say we should have a few days out of the year where DMVs are open a few extra hours to accomodate them. After all, an ID is already essential to having a bank account, driving, and quite often employment.

The issue is what is needed to get the ID. Here in Nevada, I need a copy of my birth certificate and my social security card to get a state ID. Let's assume worst case scenario. Let's assume my housed burned down and I lost all of the documents, including my ID, or I was never given them by my parents. Whatever.

I need to contact the state of California and get a reprint of my Birth Certificate. It costs $18. I have to have the request form notarized. Ahh shit... I don't have ID, so it's going to be a struggle to get that notorized. Let's say I get it notorized, pay the money, and send off the forms. I can start requesting my Social Security Card now, right? Nope. They require a copy of my Birth Certificate. Gotta wait.

So I wait the 4-6 weeks to get my BC, fill out the forms for the Social Security Card only to find out I need to send a copy of my ID with the BC. Shit... I'm doing all of this trying to get my ID. Oh, they'll accept student ID? I'm 37. I don't have mine anymore. Military ID? They wouldn't take me. Fuck... Health Insurance Card? This one I do have, but not many people in this situation would.

So I fill out the form and send it with the copy of the BC, a copy of the insurance card, and whatever the fee is (I can't find one but I'm sure they charge you for it). I wait another 4-6 weeks before I get it.

Now I've got my Birth Certificate and my Social Security Card. I can now go down to the DMV, fill out the form, pay the $18 dollars, get my picture taken, and wait another 3-4 weeks to receive it in the mail.

At this point, I've had to wait 3-4 months to get my ID. If they decide to pass that law tomorrow, i wouldn't have enough time to get what I need to vote in this year's elections.