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  • Writing a Book? Run It Past the Pentagon First.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/0...in-laden-raid/

    Tough to come up with a short title for this one. Anywho, Matt Bissonnette, one of the Navy Seals who was on the Osama bin Laden raid, wrote about about being a Seal, the mission, and life afterwards. The problem? He never submitted it to the DoD for approval and censuring. Standard procedure for that kind of thing is to submit the book to the DoD and they look over it to make sure there isn't any classified information in it. He wrote the book and got it published under a pseudonym (Which the press naturally gave away his real name) without having it checked.

    He has an attorney ready in case the government arrests him for spilling secrets which seems likely based off what the radio was saying tonight. I plan on getting the book and reading it but the radio made it seem like he let out a lot of information that the government clearly didn't want getting out.

    What do you guys think? Should he be able to write and say whatever he wants without punishment since he's retired and no longer part of the military?

    I personally don't. The mission was classified as high as possible. Information on how stuff was done might seem like super obvious stuff to him but sometimes these militant groups we are fighting just don't think about it. The terrorists are out looking and listening for anything that'll help them. When you are working out there and you are working on secret or top secret stuff, odds are at some point you will learn something that is just plain awesome. But you just can't talk about it no matter how much you want. He did something awesome and decided it was okay to talk about what happened when it just plain wasn't. You are bound by secrecy until you die or it because declassified. The secrecy doesn't end when you leave your job. I can't just start telling everyone what I learned in Afghanistan just because I no longer work there. That's not how it works.
    Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

  • #2
    As far as I know, he pledged to keep classified information to his grave, and being retired has nothing to do with whether he's justified or immune to divulge that information.

    If anyone, not just terrorists but other nations, use this information to kill soldiers or civilians, this author is partly to blame.

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    • #3
      As much as I'm all for freedom, there are just some things that you don't get to do.

      Just because he retired from the military doesn't mean that the promises he made while active are no longer binding.

      ^-.-^
      Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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      • #4
        It's just like signing a nondisclosure agreement your lips stay closed.

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        • #5
          Have to agree, with a single caveat. And I really wished that the caveat wasn't necessary.

          Secret information is just that. Secret. You don't divulge it, no matter how tempting.

          However, the one caveat I have is info on war crimes. Unfortunately, the military functions like a bureaucracy, and acts to cover their collective arses with regulations designed to protect those serving. When someone classifies some document, or information, or video feed that reveals a war crime, I would personally feel duty-bound to attempt to get it de-classified through official channels, and if that failed, only then release it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by draco664 View Post
            However, the one caveat I have is info on war crimes. Unfortunately, the military functions like a bureaucracy, and acts to cover their collective arses with regulations designed to protect those serving. When someone classifies some document, or information, or video feed that reveals a war crime, I would personally feel duty-bound to attempt to get it de-classified through official channels, and if that failed, only then release it.
            The term for that is "Whistleblower".

            The term for this is "Dishonourable greedy dumbass".

            <cough>

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            • #7
              There are so many reasons things like this need to be screened before they're published.

              Some information, as immaterial as it may seem to the average reader, could possibly identify a local informant, undercover operatives, battle plans and/or strategies, the locations of bases, or even the identities of the people themselves.

              Think about how easily it is for the people on 4Chan to identify locations and/or people in pictures and find the lady that threw the cat in the trash can, or the teenage boy that threw his cat against a wall.

              They take these kinds of things VERY seriously.
              Some People Are Alive Only Because It's Illegal To Kill Them.

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              • #8
                I bought the book and I'm about a quarter the way through. Some of it seems like stuff I already knew but I don't know. I'm going to assume he wasn't dumb enough to use real names. I did learn some stuff I didn't know and that kind of worries me since I know a fair amount about the Seals that you can learn.
                Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                • #9
                  One of my relatives use to work for the government. Heck didn’t even work military, but high enough that he had to make promises not to divulge information. He’s been retired now for about 15 years and only now are things he worked on in WWII being declassified. The few books he’s written about his memoirs still have to be submitted to the government for approval. Now if our government is worried about information that could be garnered on how our security works from 50 years ago, think about the amount of information that someone could get from something a year old.

                  Sorry about your luck, Matt Bissonnette, but you made promises and oaths not to talk about what the hell you do. One sure as hell does not go and write a book, “forget” to submit it for approval to the DoD and have it published. He has very possibly put other Seal members and missions in danger from the information he’s let out in this book. And before someone points out that he used pseudonym that got leaked. It doesn’t much matter, he still brook his promise to keep his mouth shut.

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                  • #10
                    About 3/4 done. It's a well written book, but I just feel like a lot of stuff is still iffy. The book contains diagrams of how the attack went, step by step.
                    Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheHuckster View Post
                      As far as I know, he pledged to keep classified information to his grave, and being retired has nothing to do with whether he's justified or immune to divulge that information.
                      This. I used to have a coworker who was a former Navy Seal. He wouldn't talk about it. At all. Simply said "I can't talk about that" and changed the subject. So yeah, I fully expect this guy to be in hot water.

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                      • #12
                        *Some spoilers*




                        I can sympathize with him calling Osama a pussy. I agree with that assessment. But he also did some whining about how the president is using it in his election campaign (Though he tries to play it off as not whining by saying he expected it). Also, he mentions the team met the president and how they all just gave him fake names.
                        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                        • #13
                          Why wouldn't the president use it in his election campaign? considering that if Bin Laden was still alive, his opponents would use it to criticize him... ( not mentioning the fact that since Obama came to power, Al-Qaeda has suffered a major reversal in fortune, is now without it's flagship leader, has lost six second-in-commands (the latest one was killed last weekend, and was only appointed in June following the death of his predecessor. Prior to Obama coming to power, we had managed to kill ONE second-in-command as far as i can find out. Not to mention we seem to be better at hitting actual terrorists these days.)

                          As for the fake names, I don't see why it's relevant. Obama would probably have been able to find out the real names if he really cared, so who cares?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by s_stabeler View Post
                            As for the fake names, I don't see why it's relevant. Obama would probably have been able to find out the real names if he really cared, so who cares?
                            Well, since it's for Obama as a gift, it's kinda disrespectful.
                            Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                            • #15
                              Wait, uh... Killing Osama was a gift? Or... I'm confused, what's a gift here?
                              "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
                              ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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