Is anyone here voting for Romney?

[Gravekeeper]

True fiscal conservatives were basically over when Goldwater told the Republican party to go to Hell right before he died. He was pretty much the last of them. Fiscally conservative, didn't give a rat's ass about social conservatives. Was pro-choice, thought gays should serve in the military and was for the legalization of medical marijuana.

Bat shit insane religious conservatives started to rise up in the 70s as I recall and were unfortunately embraced by the Republican party as a political tool. Till they got taken over by them. Not learning from their mistakes, they did the same thing with the Tea Party. Embraced them as a political tool and got taken over. Ratcheting up the bat shit insanity level even higher.

Fiscal conservatism hasn't existed in the Republican party in decades now. Now it's just "Fuck you, I got mine. Oh, right, and we need to talk about your vagina."

[Aethian]

I won't go reciting what others have said. But waking up to major heartburn and blood I'm reading this thread on my phone. I actually cried after rereading your post a few times Tanasi to get that you just called myself and my Mother racist. I know you didn't say it was to us personally but at 2:50 in the morning it sure as hell felt that way.

So please, YOU drop the race card, and give us your other reasons for voting Romney.

[gremcint]

Nope, I refuse, until the hypocracy of the negro race in voting for Obama because he's also of the negro race.

Ok first off that's not even a sentence. No seriously it isn't you haven't finished the thought. is it supposed to be until the hypocracy is admitted? I really just don't understand you right now.


Look I'm an outsider looking in on American politics, I did my best to leave my opinions out of it and just ask a straight question, just to hear why some people may choose to vote for a specific person. There was no hidden agenda or secret undertone I figured I'd see if we could have a rational discussion. Apparently you are incapable of that and merely wish to be a troll.

Basically what was asked directly by me and a couple other in this thread is what policies do you agree with Romney or his party on? or why do you think it would be better to have the republican party in charge?


Now in regards to what you've actually said:

Until then all votes for or against, disagreements with Obama are based upon race.
Until Obama comes on TV and publically says playing the race card is wrong then everyone is racist.

So until the POTUS publicly makes a statement you refuse to answer a simple question on an anonymous forum that you had no requirement or need to answer. Wow never in all my life have I ever seen someone demonstrate the principle of "it is better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" more perfectly.


Now you continuously bring up voting based on race but because you can't be bothered to properly explain what you do want to say I will summarize it here for you.

You have attempted to ask why is black people voting for a black president because he's black less racist than a white person voting for a white president because he's white.

First off if that is the absolute only reason for voting that way then it is racist equally same if you vote for the white one because the other is not white. However it may not be case of skin color but of background, someone who was raised by a single mother and grew up being treated a different way due to skin color and saw the issues first hand will have more sympathizers from those of a similar background. Whereas the other candidate is basically the exact opposite and has done everything he can to bash anyone not like him, homosexuals, the poor, single parents, etc. honestly people of a certain background will not trust him. While race is a factor it isn't the only one and honestly probably not a major one.

Basically your entire posts in this thread have consisted of why should I explain myself when people who are not even here think I'm racist, or at least that's what I assume those people think because I refuse to discuss this even when asked rationally.

Basically you are saying you are pissed off because people make assumptions about your opinions before letting you explain but when giving a consequence free, assumption free chance to explain you refuse and multiple people here have tried to understand you and you've lashed back at them for no reason. Further you are upset when after continuously posting about race over and over again we begin to make some reasonable assumptions. I think this is a case of "me thinks the lady dost protest too much" in regards to your posts.

You've been asked straight out and refuse to answer until the impossible happens.

I have a new question for you why did you even reply in the first place?


For the rest of the thread, anybody else reminded of red panda?

[Sarah Valentine]

I usually don't post on here, but this has me pissed

I've been a democrat ever since I was able to vote, after seeing hearing and reading all the bullshit I have for the last 2 years it convinced me that I'm never going to be a republican. A couple of people might argue that it's only the ones that end up in the news, but they seem to hate women and think that being gay is wrong. I refuse to vote for somebody that would see me as less of a person just because of what I lack between my legs, and the fact that 2 of my male friends love each other and want to get married someday. To me race is just a bullshit excuse, if the races were reversed my vote would still be the same, if they were both white my vote would be the same, if they were both black my vote would be the same, hell if they both had green skin with blue polka dots my vote would still be the same. I don't want people to bring up race anymore because it's bullshit, I gave 2 valid reasons, I only brought up race to show what bullshit it is and it shouldn't count as a valid reason. I'm going to ignore anyone else that brings up race because it's bullshit, this is 2012 not 1950, race doesn't matter it's not an issue and it's not a valid reason. I can't believe it even needs to be said, you know what the next person to post about race their post won't exist to me.

[Panacea]

Looking back, despite the craziness on display, the republicans actually got a disturbing slice of the vote considering what was on offer. Had they not been frothing at the mouth, it's quite possible they could have won.

Rapscallion

This past election was absolutely winnable for Romney. While it is typically hard to beat an incumbent, the popular vote tells us this was Romney's race to win or lose. The economy may be recovering, but unemployment is still high, and people are frustrated.

He lost for a variety of reasons. He played to the base that was going to vote for him anyway, and he knew this--it was the framework of his 47% comment. He couldn't come to the center to attract the independent votes without being pulled back to the right by the fanatics within his own party. He never could clearly define a vision for America that was uniquely his, that was any different than what Obama had been doing for the past four years. And he was a gaffe machine; no where near as bad as Bush, but he just couldn't keep his foot out of his mouth. He couldn't control himself during the 2nd and 3rd debates; he whined like a petulant child when the moderators ruled against him.

For all of that Romney still could have won if he'd just been able to sincerely offer something tangible to anyone who wasn't white and rich. He's out of touch and he never could shake that.

[Gravekeeper]

This past election was absolutely winnable for Romney.

I disagree. The only thing that gave Romney a glimpse of a chance to begin with was a unified hatred of Obama that was largely the result of unfettered, constant lying, cheating and obstructionism from the GOP combined with low information voters willing to shovel the shit down their gullets without question.

Romney had no charisma, a terrible personality, no empathy whatsoever and no ability to relate to anyone outside of the 1%, no real plans to fix anything and no morales to speak of. He was an arrogant, vapid, empty suit in the purest sense of the term. His biggest strength by the third debate literally boiled down to "I can be just like Obama but white so you don't have to vote for the negro!".

He was an empty glass to pour all their bullshit in. He was literally the perfect distillation of the GOP party in every way. Yet despite all the lying, cheating, voter surpression, draconian voter ID lays, billions of dollars and basically every last trick the GOP could pull. They *still* lost.

Meanwhile all those godless liberal things they've been railing against for years weed, vaginas and Teh Gay(tm) had historical victories.

The GOP is a dying party with terrible ideas that no longer have a place in the modern world and frankly haven't for decades. But it'll take one or two more election cycles to club this into their heads I'm sure. We'll see if they fall into a civil war amongst themselves over the coming months between what few moderates they have and the batshit crazies.

Once the bulk of Obamacare officially kicks in, in 2014, they're really going to be up shit creek when voters get a taste of sweet sweet socialism. =p

To quote Fox News to Karl Rove: "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better or is this real?"

[bara]

I voted against Romney because:

Continual Flip-flopping on policies.
False claims.
His Bain capital record.
Not releasing his tax returns.
his 47% comment.
His stance on gay marriage.
His stance on abortion.
His stance on Romney Care.. which is now known as Obama Care.
His inability to explain his plan for the economy. (not to mention the fact thats its freakin impossible)
His pandering to the uber rich.
And for his being completely out of touch with those in my income class. (I doubt he has ever stood in the ramen noodle aisle wondering if he should buy the store brand ramen or splurge and get the name brand for 10 cents more)

[daleduke17]

You have attempted to ask why is black people voting for a black president because he's black less racist than a white person voting for a white president because he's white.

The reason a black person voting for a black candidate is less racist than a white person voting for a white candidate is because of American history. Black people have been held back for so long that when a black candidate comes along everyone has to vote for him because he is the minority, otherwise it is racist because having a white person leading a country with black people is just looking back at history and repeating "slavery" conditions. That's probably the reasoning (and I am just playing devil's advocate on that one).

In my opinion, making a big deal out of race IS racist. Making a big deal out of gender IS sexist. There were people in 2008 being called racist because they didn't care that Obama was black. Isn't that backwards thinking? Isn't that just saying the opposite of everything anti-discrimination people have said all along? That it doesn't matter what race someone is, we should all have the same opportunities? Now, all of a sudden, we need to make a big deal out of race and vote for Obama because he is the black guy. Obama did something 43 other people have done 56 times in American history. He got elected President of the United States. I'm just glad that the media isn't spouting the "America's first black President" line before talking about Obama like they did in 2008-2009.

I did not vote for Obama (or Romney or McCain for that matter) because I did not like their views. I did not like being called racist for not caring about someone's skin color, or sexist for not liking Hillary Clinton just because she was a woman.

[bex1218]

I remember another reason why people voted for Romney:

Benghazi

[violiav]

You know what. I had no idea what people meant when they said "Benghazi" in a doom filled voice till I looked it up. I had forgotten all about it. I've had a very busy couple of months. Even if I had remembered, it probably wouldn't have factored in for very much.

Here's an account for other people with rusty memory.

[Gravekeeper]

I remember another reason why people voted for Romney:

Benghazi

Benghazi was a fart in the political wind that the GOP was desperately trying to turn into Watergate 2.0. But much like a fart in the wind, there was no real substance too it and ultimately it didn't stick. ;p

Considering how many people died in embassy attacks during Bush's presidency ( hint: fuckton more than have during Obama's ), the fact they only care about it now that it's Obama is all the more telling.

[Ginger Tea]

Voting for someone first time round because they happen to be the first x y or z to make it into the running, I can see as a decideing factor for some.
I have no idea on American politics and why its a two party system, the way Americans run it and how we run ours seem different, here we vote in the part and the leader of said party becomes the PM, yet it seems you can vote in one person from group B to be the President and yet the house is every seat but his group A, yet when Saul Williams released a video of him performing a beat poetry piece about his hope for Americas future, his passion and beliefein this man and all the "Hope/Change" posters etc made me want to vote for this man, not because of his skin colour (I never knew what Lewis Hamilton looked like during his first year and just assumed that he was having all this praise heaped on him because he was having such a stellar first 3/4) but because I had never seen any candidate on any side bring out such positive emotions with the voters, would it be the same if he was white? I can not answer that, one would like to think that the results would be the same or maybe better factoring in the "I ain't voting for no expletive" crowd who could not vote for someone who shared their beliefs just not their skin tone.

That said, anyone voting him in for a second term based soley on his skin colour alone are fools, not nececarily racist, but fools none the less, they have haad four years to see if he is any cop, if you think someone is incompetant and unfit to rule, just don't vote them back in.

Which brings me back to the two party system, Conservitives (Tory) lost to Labour in 97ish mostly due to voters being sick of Tories in power for so long, yet New Labour to some (or most?) felt like old Tories, yet we had a 3rd choice that had a string of moderate sucess in gaining a few seats in the house of commons, nothing ever grand mind you and the odd independant party perhaps with only one running member per year, but atleast we have a more visible choice than red or blue.

Maybe the House is more diverse than I am aware of and not just democrat/republican, but it just seems odd to have the leader of the country selected seperatly than the main voting house.

[Mr. Anubite]

I agree with the idea that this race was winnable for Romney. I stayed up and watched the results come in, and I was very happy, though very surprised, that Obama won. I was convinced the Republican misinformation would work. I mean, who wants to vote for the Muslim-Kenyan-Indonesian-Marxist-Communist-Socialist-Atheist-Homosexual-Racist-Son-of-Frank-Marshall-Davis-Son-of-Malcom-X-Married-to-an-Angry-Black-Woman-Married-to-his-Male-Pakistani-Roommate-from-College?

[bex1218]

You forgot baby killer.

[Mr. Anubite]

You forgot baby killer.

I was thinking that after I posted, but I haven't heard any rumors of him actually performing abortions.