Is anyone here voting for Romney?

[gremcint]

I agree with the idea that this race was winnable for Romney. I stayed up and watched the results come in, and I was very happy, though very surprised, that Obama won. I was convinced the Republican misinformation would work. I mean, who wants to vote for the Muslim-Kenyan-Indonesian-Marxist-Communist-Socialist-Atheist-Homosexual-Racist-Son-of-Frank-Marshall-Davis-Son-of-Malcom-X-Married-to-an-Angry-Black-Woman-Married-to-his-Male-Pakistani-Roommate-from-College?

apparently electoral votes aside he got almost half of the popular vote, his 47% comment was suprisingly close.

[Panacea]

I disagree.

He was an empty glass to pour all their bullshit in. He was literally the perfect distillation of the GOP party in every way. Yet despite all the lying, cheating, voter surpression, draconian voter ID lays, billions of dollars and basically every last trick the GOP could pull. They *still* lost.

The GOP is a dying party with terrible ideas that no longer have a place in the modern world and frankly haven't for decades. But it'll take one or two more election cycles to club this into their heads I'm sure. We'll see if they fall into a civil war amongst themselves over the coming months between what few moderates they have and the batshit crazies.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, however, Romney could still have won this election. He lost by about 3 million votes. Many states were won by Obama narrowly, especially the battle ground states. If Romney could have found a way to connect with voters in those states, he could have won.

That's his basic issue; the failure to connect. Had he done so, he could have won in spite of his bullshit.

The reason a black person voting for a black candidate is less racist than a white person voting for a white candidate is because of American history. Black people have been held back for so long that when a black candidate comes along everyone has to vote for him because he is the minority, otherwise it is racist because having a white person leading a country with black people is just looking back at history and repeating "slavery" conditions. That's probably the reasoning (and I am just playing devil's advocate on that one).

I strongly disagree with this. Racism is racism. Just because a group has been discriminated against does not justify prejudging the majority group by the same basis. Slavery does not excuse a black person from assuming a bias against a white person on the basis of race alone; only on what that white person says or does.

But the history of slavery and Jim Crow is commonly used as an excuse by race baiters to keep themselves relevant and in the news.

In my opinion, making a big deal out of race IS racist. Making a big deal out of gender IS sexist. There were people in 2008 being called racist because they didn't care that Obama was black. Isn't that backwards thinking? Isn't that just saying the opposite of everything anti-discrimination people have said all along?

Yes, it is backwards thinking. It is only racism if you pre-judge someone on the basis of their skin color, and for no other reason. If you don't care about skin color, you can't be racist. Very few people completely don't care, but plenty of people can look at an individual and ignore the skin in favor of other qualities.

That it doesn't matter what race someone is, we should all have the same opportunities? <snip>I'm just glad that the media isn't spouting the "America's first black President" line before talking about Obama like they did in 2008-2009.

Actually, we don't all have the same opportunities. Many doors are still closed to people based on race, gender, and sexual identity. Affirmative action as we know it now has not really done much to fix that problem, so I'm actually hoping the SCOTUS will scuttle it so Congress can start over.

I did not vote for Obama (or Romney or McCain for that matter) because I did not like their views. I did not like being called racist for not caring about someone's skin color, or sexist for not liking Hillary Clinton just because she was a woman.

Just curious, did you vote? (I'm not asking for whom).

I remember another reason why people voted for Romney:

Benghazi

Anyone who voted for Romney based on Benghazi jumped the gun. We still don't know all the facts about what happened, and the more information that is released indicates there is little we could have done to rescue our people or predict the attack.

[guywithashovel]

I watched the election coverage on CBS, and when they declared Obama the winner, he was still a little bit behind in the popular vote: about one-million votes, if I remember correctly. The anchors started discussing the possibility of Obama winning the electoral vote but losing the popular vote and what that might mean for the next four years.

I was pretty sure that Obama was going to win, based on the polling I'd seen during the last days of the campaign. I wasn't too surprised. The election was still quite close, though. I'm not sure why some people are saying the GOP got creamed, shellacked, etc. They just lost the presidential election by a narrow margin, lost one or two seats in the Senate, and a few seats in the House. Seems to be the Democrats actually had bigger losses in 2010.

I know it may sound extreme, but at this point, I almost hope we never have another GOP president again. I know there are nice, reasonable people who vote GOP for whatever reason. I'm not sure why, but they do.

[daleduke17]

Just curious, did you vote? (I'm not asking for whom).

Yes I did. I have voted in every Presidential election since 2000 (when I turned 18). I think there have been a couple primaries I didn't vote in because I either forgot the date, or wasn't registered in time, though.

[Panacea]

I watched the election coverage on CBS, and when they declared Obama the winner, he was still a little bit behind in the popular vote: about one-million votes, if I remember correctly. The anchors started discussing the possibility of Obama winning the electoral vote but losing the popular vote and what that might mean for the next four years.

I was pretty sure Obama would win the Electoral College, but lose the popular vote. That would have been very, very messy.

Obama does not have a mandate. He will still have to work with Congress. But winning both the EC and the popular vote gives him more leverage. Boehner has to come to him, not the other way around. That's why he's been posturing in the press lately: he knows it.

[bex1218]

I was thinking that after I posted, but I haven't heard any rumors of him actually performing abortions.

I have seen so many people on pro-Obama facebook pages call him baby killer or something similar.

[Anthony K. S.]

Obama is pro-choice.

For many pro-life advocates, that alone is reason enough to call him a "baby killer."

[HYHYBT]

A policy that, to me, is full and sufficient reason to vote against *anybody* was stated flat out: "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

I was thinking that after I posted, but I haven't heard any rumors of him actually performing abortions.

No, but what I remember hearing during the 2008 campaign was worse; something about pushing through legislation allowing actual, already born babies to be set aside and left to die. Which isn't to make any claim either way about whether that was true, only that the claim has been made in a way that would appall even those who are firmly pro-choice.

As for race... there is one situation where I would have voted based on race (or gender), but it didn't come to that; not even close. In 2008, we had never had any president who was other than a white male. Had every other consideration been balanced out and I needed a tiebreaker, going for a first would have done it.

I'm not sure why some people are saying the GOP got creamed, shellacked, etc. They just lost the presidential election by a narrow margin, lost one or two seats in the Senate, and a few seats in the House.

The "social conservative" side lost more than that. All those guys brought to national attention for making rape-trivializing comments lost. All the places marriage was on the ballot were losses for that side. A couple more things that aren't coming to mind at the moment...

I know there are nice, reasonable people who vote GOP for whatever reason.

I like to think there are, and certainly the ones I know seem mainly nice and reasonable... except that you see what happens when you try to ask why they voted the way they did.

[Andara Bledin]

I only know one person who, of a certainty, voted Republican.

He's one of those people who honestly believes that he's going to be rich some day soon, and that the GOP is going to help him get there.

I also know for a fact that he's very poor at actually checking his facts before making a decision, and if the facts don't match his decision, he'll conveniently ignore them.

Other than that, he's an ok guy; just willfully ignorant if the facts don't align with his ideology.

^-.-^

[Mr. Anubite]

I have seen so many people on pro-Obama facebook pages call him baby killer or something similar.

I also forgot that he killed Ambassador Stevens in Libya. Some conservatives were saying that Stevens somehow embarrassed the government, or Obama personally, and this was his punishment.

I was surprised that the Benghazi thing didn't swing the election for Romney. They really played that one up.

Apparently, Obama was supposed to jump in his Raptor, spool up the FTLs, and stop the attack. Sean Hannity had a woman call in who yelled about how the Army has bases in Italy, and if Obama didn't hate America, he would have sent the troops in. Then she started crying. The worst part was, he agreed with her!

[AmbrosiaWriter]

Apparently, Obama was supposed to jump in his Raptor, spool up the FTLs, and stop the attack. Sean Hannity had a woman call in who yelled about how the Army has bases in Italy, and if Obama didn't hate America, he would have sent the troops in. Then she started crying. The worst part was, he agreed with her!

Hey, if I start crying when I spew completely irrational and self serving commentary does that mean I can get everyone to agree with me too?

"BROCCOLI IS THE MOST DISGUSTING THING EVER" *wail* "WE SHOULD JUST DESTROY ALL BROCCOLI AND SAVE OUR CHILDREN FROM THE DISGUSTING, FUNGUS LOOKING THINGS!" *sob* "HAVEN'T PEOPLE SEEN LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS!?" *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail*

[CaptainJaneway]

Here is an article i saw on yahoo in regards to the repubican party and how out of touch they are.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-showing-ca...-election.html

[Tanasi]

Here is an article i saw on yahoo in regards to the repubican party and how out of touch they are.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-showing-ca...-election.html

Something similar happened in my state in this past election. Except it's the other way around. The Republicans have a supermajority in both the state house and state senate and they also have the Governor. Both US senators and 7 or 9 US reps are also Republican. It's hard to break the democrat foot hold in Nashville and impossible in Memphis. Hmmm I wonder if Mississippi or Arkansas would be willing to take Memphis.

[AdminAssistant]

Hmmm I wonder if Mississippi or Arkansas would be willing to take Memphis.

If Mississippi takes Memphis, can we send along West Memphis, too? Not because of racial or political reasons, but because it is a nasty-ass town. Also, Memphis has entirely too much drinking for it to be a part of Arkansas.

[Tanasi]

I have no objection. I make the motion to kick Memphis out of Tennessee and West Memphis out of Arkansas. Do I have a second???