New Secession Petitions to the White House

[Mytical]

With Oil Money, Texas could survive separating. Most on that list..not so much. However, the Republicans think taxes are high NOW...just wait until they have to handle all the roads/schools/etc by themselves. They would wish they were paying as little in taxes as they are now.

[violiav]

No kidding. Oil money or no, I don't think Texas would survive too long on it's own. It's just too tied to the rest of the country. Roads, medicine, the border, college football.

Eta: the only chance it would have of surviving on its own would be t hit the ground running, and be ready. But it's not.

[Panacea]

North Carolina has a petition to STAY in the Union; to reaffirm allegience to the United States. It is very well done, so of course I signed it (being from North Carolina).

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...paign=shorturl

[daleduke17]

As of tonight the following petitions have enough signatures to require a response:

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Texas (89,xxx signatures). If people knew how to do research (not make duplicate petitions), then Missouri and South Carolina would be added to the list. Tennessee is within 1,000 signatures and Oklahoma is within 5,000. Seven states with enough signatures. Two more close. That is roughly 20% of the nation. Obama better be making a real effort here to get the Federal and State governments in agreement on what to do so there is some sort of talks to smooth everything over.

Also, if some states do get to the point of secession I don't think they would go it completely alone. I could see a few different groups come from this:

- Texas Republic (Texas)
- Desert Alliance* (New Mexico/Arizona)
- Bear Republic (California)
- Confederate States of America (Tennessee/Georgia/Florida/Alabama/Louisiana/South Carolina/Arkansas)

California could probably hold its own without Federal Aid. CSA would be interesting if it got off the ground for more than four years. It would have a great likelihood of succeeding. It wouldn't be built around slavery this time and would have advantages that weren't around in the 1860s (communications, international commerce, technology, etc).

So, while it would be a horrible thing to see states secede, it would be interesting to see them attempt it.

*sorry, cool name IMO

[mikoyan29]

With the exception of Texas, they are mostly net recepient states. Let's see how well they survive on their own when they aren't getting almost double what they pay in taxes.

[violiav]

The likely hood of secession is slim to none, on the none side. Esspically when there is no state backing. Texas is no stranger to secessionists, those nut jobs are a dime a dozen here.

[lordlundar]

Well they hit the level of getting a response but no guarantee on what the response will be. I would find it hilarious if the response was the president just laughing at their insanity.

[violiav]

I think this may be the straw that breaks the elephants back. The break in the GOP my come sooner, rather than later because of this. How is fox dealing with this, by the way? I don't have cable so I don't get to news surf anympre

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[EricKei]

They [Puerto Rico] have to have a state Constitutional Convention first. But their local government can now call for one, draft a constitution, and if it is approved by the voters and ratified by Congress they will be come a state. It's about time, really.

I can speak only for an old and dear friend of mine who grew up in Puerto Rico -- it was his experience that a large chunk of the populace (apparently somewhere around the 50/50 range, if not higher) actively do NOT want to become a state, as it would mean paying taxes (and certain other responsibilities) towards certain benefits (like military "protection" and the ability to vote) that they currently get more or less for free. On the other hand, there are also many people there who say that they should become a state for exactly that reason -- that it's about time they contribute as others do, and for the associated rewards like full voting rights in national elections, etc.

How about kicking New York out??? Surely we can get salsa from another state!!!

cowboy 1 - This salsa was made in New York City...
other cowboys - NEW YORK CITY?!
cowboy 1 - Get a rope.

The first time my Dad and I saw this ad, we spontaneously shouted out "Lynch him!", in a horribly bad Texan-ish accent, in perfect unison, before the last line was spoken. Wonderful moment

[HYHYBT]

How about kicking New York out??? Surely we can get salsa from another state!!!

And why would we want to kick out New York?

[Tanasi]

cowboy 1 - This salsa was made in New York City...
other cowboys - NEW YORK CITY?!
cowboy 1 - Get a rope.

The first time my Dad and I saw this ad, we spontaneously shouted out "Lynch him!", in a horribly bad Texan-ish accent, in perfect unison, before the last line was spoken. Wonderful moment

I have a friend who's son lives in NYC and everytime they visit him or he visits them I ask if they brought me any salsa.

[Tanasi]

And why would we want to kick out New York?

So all those damnyankees can legally be declared persona-non-grata and we can then keep them out of my state. The last thing we need is more damnyankees.

[Mytical]

The last thing we need is more damnyankees.

I don't know, I like some of their songs myself.

[crashhelmet]

I don't know, I like some of their songs myself.

It's just too bad that their guitarist is Ted Nugent.

[Tanasi]

It's just too bad that their guitarist is Ted Nugent.

He does come on a little strong doesn't he???
Even I think he needs to dial it back a bit.
Not that it's any better but he's a Michigan damnyankee and not a NY damnyankee.
We might have to do a pole amongst the born and bread southern folks here to find out which damnyankee state is the worst.