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Gun control in UK - A Total Failure
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To quote your fellow Briton....
"Now, you may not use any firearm for self-defence at any time or under any condition, even if you are about to be killed in the most horrible way imaginable. If you do kill someone in self-defence, then it is off to prison with you for a very very long time."
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----Of course you'll just attack my sources like everyone else is that's anti-gun. Thank you.
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Originally posted by ditchdj View Post----Of course you'll just attack my sources like everyone else is that's anti-gun. Thank you.
Sound like a plan?
"Now, you may not use any firearm for self-defence at any time or under any condition, even if you are about to be killed in the most horrible way imaginable. If you do kill someone in self-defence, then it is off to prison with you for a very very long time."
That opinion piece claimed that the UK had a major problem with gun crime. There's a problem, but it's relatively minor. The media and government are more concentrating on knife crime.
By the way, when did I say I was anti-gun? It's a tool, nothing more and nothing less. Do I want guns completely banned? No. Do I want controls to stop guns getting into the hands of criminals and being used in crime? Definitely. Is it a dangerous tool that should be limited? Definitely.
The big issue for me is whether or not I trust my fellow human with a dangerous tool. In a few specific examples, then sure. In general, fuck no. I see too many young males hopped up on their own testosterone to contemplate relaxing the laws. I see too many young women trying to act the same, or trying to talk down their fellow females, to risk that.
I don't trust my fellow human as a general statement of mind.
Anyway, can I hope that you're going to continue your fine tradition of posting a link, ignoring the arguments already put forward, and then accusing others of hating you? I do hope so.
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Originally posted by Rapscallion View PostUm, wrong. If you legally own a firearm, you can use it in self-defence. As a judge once of my acquaintance told me, if the wounds are to their front, they were coming at you and you can do what is regarded as reasonable force to stop them. (Example - someone comes at you in a rabid frenzy with a samurai sword, blow them away, but if someone comes at you with a small sponge and a grin you can't really break out the rocket launcher and expect to not fail jail time). I'm pretty sure that Crazylegs can back me up on this.
It all boils down to what 'reasonable force' is, if you are in fear of your life (as it may be) and you could demonstrate that in court (i.e. the sword eample above) then yes shooting them is entirely sensible.
People who are uninformed cite Tony MARTIN as to this is not the case, however what they don't note is that MARTIN set traps for the burglars and shot them in the back as they were running away. This is considerably more than 'reasonable force' and is punishment, plain and simple.The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. Robert Peel
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Originally posted by ditchdj View PostTo quote your fellow Briton....
Now, you may not use any firearm for self-defence at any time or under any condition, even if you are about to be killed in the most horrible way imaginable. If you do kill someone in self-defence, then it is off to prison with you for a very very long time.
The UK police record only deaths that result in after a conviction of murder for the killer has been passed
Murders, on the other hand, cannot be compared between the US and UK
British police do not carry firearms as part of their standard equipment, mainly due to the fact that when the UK adopted a police force, the people did not trust them to be armed since that may eventually lead to a government monopoly on power
Furthermore, the police are even scaling back their firearms units and reducing their man power
They live behind layers of elite armed police, knowing that they can never be harmed.
That's 6 gaping errors right there, and I've not even looked all that hard.
Answer me this if you will.
If gun control is such a failure why is it *not* mandatory that all Police Officers within the UK wear bullet proof vests? Why is it not mandatory that all Police Officers are issued bullet proof vests PC Sharon Beshenivsky was wearing a vest that was only knife proof.The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. Robert Peel
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Originally posted by crazylegs View PostWrong, who remembers John PRESCOTT being thumped by a male while in public? Who remembers various dignitaries having custard pies thrown at them... et cetera
If I remember right, he thumped back after that, right?
RapscallionProud to be a W.A.N.K.E.R. - Womanless And No Kids - Exciting Rubbing!
Reclaiming words is fun!
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I know Australia has pretty much nothing to do with this discussion, but Crazy has just brought up a point I'll add to here.
If gun control is such a failure why is it *not* mandatory that all Police Officers within the UK wear bullet proof vests? Why is it not mandatory that all Police Officers are issued bullet proof vests PC Sharon Beshenivsky was wearing a vest that was only knife proof.ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?
SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.
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