and another assassination plot for Obama

[AdminAssistant]

I call Palin the "Anti-Hilary". Because she is always perfectly coiffed in dress suits (with skirts, if you'll notice), heels, perfectly fixed hair, makeup, nails, etc. She is the perfect physicalization of the conservative ideal woman. Someone who looks pretty, has a sweet voice, and who will be submissive to the predominantly male party.

I have a Bachelor's degree - am I qualified to be VP? No. Hell, I have a Master's, working on a Ph.D. Maybe I should run for office....

I have seen a few Palin/Stalin signs, but it hasn't caught on. Probably because the Democrats don't need to come up with nasty nicknames to disparage her. She does a pretty good job all by herself. Seriously, at this point I think we're all just sitting back watching McCain's campaign self-destruct.

Too bad for McCain. I have a lot of respect for the guy. But his campaign has been very poorly run.

[daleduke17]

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[Amethyst Hunter]

and she has a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho-soo you're going by looks then I take it-that's kinda sexist*

She also changed schools no less than 5 or 6 times during her so-called "career" as a "journalist" (and I use that term very lightly). That isn't the mark of someone whose intelligence is worth a damn, it looks like sheer incompetence or bloody ADD**.

Frankly, Palin's an insult to all women. She represents a stereotype that we should long have since moved past. Worse, she deliberately caters to the worst of humanity knowing perfectly well that she'll always have her end taken care of (even if she screws up, which she's doing a perfect job of) and to hell with anyone else who doesn't subscribe to the narrow-minded rigid backstabbing authoritarian snobbery she does.

And when this bitch - damn right I'm calling her for what she is - this bitch has the nerve to blow over a hundred thousand bucks on wardrobe (supposedly it's being donated to charity, but I can tell you right now you'll never see a thread of it end up in your local Goodwill store, it'll be auctioned off at some lame celebrity function that doesn't do jack), revels in her ignorance, would gladly stomp on the rights of her own goddamned gender, and has the (figuratively speaking) balls to label her opponent a "terrorist" when there is NO proof of such...and here people like me are trying to scrape by and she claims she's an "average Joe" Just Like Everybody Else - she can go take a flying leap straight into the hell her psychotic "church" (again, a term I use very lightly) is so fond of drooling over.

THAT'S sexist - pandering to a hateful group knowing full well one intends to stab the very people one is supposed to be working for in the back.

Obama may not be any saint, but at least he seems to genuinely care about people and wants to do SOMEthing to fix the general mess we're in. His opponents are just power-hungry leeches who don't give a damn about anybody other than themselves, and it shows in their actions and the way they've been running their campaign.



(** = I have ADD, so trust me, I would know)

it's STILL name calling-that is my point-you cannot complain "they called someone a name" and then turn around and do it yourself-doesn't work that way.

There's name-calling, and then there's fearmongering and hatefulness. The latter is what we've been seeing in regards to "Obama/Osama." Whose campaign rallies have been producing all sorts of lovely cheers like "Kill him!"? Yeah.

[Boozy]

Palin = Barbie - Valid comparison
Barack Obama = Osama Bin Laden - Zero similarities.

Yes. And to elaborate:

Barbie is the symbol of a pretty face with no substance. Palin is a pretty face with no substance. Hence my comparison.

I can't find the points of comparison between a lawyer-politician from Illinois and a radical Islamic terrorist.

But their first names rhyme. And let's face it, there are many people out there who never advanced mentally beyond "Green Eggs and Ham." You can picture them chanting "Obama Osama" while clapping their hands in glee like kindergartners.

it's STILL name calling-that is my point-you cannot complain "they called someone a name" and then turn around and do it yourself-doesn't work that way.

I actually have very little problem with people calling politicians names. It's a grand sport. Let me take a shot at one of ours from the north: "Prime Minister Harper is a total douchebag." See? Wasn't that fun?

But I'll admit, I'm uncomfortable with the Obama/Osama thing. It smacks of racism.

[TheRoo]

Actually I think that "Green Eggs and Ham" teaches kids that words that rhyme mean different things.

[jayel]

Politics aside, if Sarah Palin was UNattractive, dressed like a frump, and didn't groom herself well, people would be downing her for that too.

Look everybody, it's just as childish as high school! The pretty girls are considered dumb and vapid because they bother to look nice, and the plain girls are ignored and sneered at because they can't turn any heads.

A woman has finally made it so far as to have the opportunity to serve as Vice President of our country, and she is still being picked apart as if she were fourteen. Pathetic. If you want to criticize someone, how about keeping it to their education, policies, ethics? You know, things that actually matter as opposed to their looks and fashion preferences.

People like you are the reason there will probably never be a woman president. I don't see anyone making such a huge deal out of the men's wardrobe or appearance. Or for that matter, Michelle O's. Oh, but according to some people, it's apparently okay to be sexist, but not racist. Oh, but not sexist toward someone of another race, because that would be projected as racism too.

On another note, not EVERYTHING bad that is said about someone is racist. Sometimes it's okay to call a spade a spade, and if we don't start doing a lot more of that, people will be getting away with whatever they want because everyone will be too afraid to point out their wrongdoing. I for one am sick and tired of bending over backwards and tiptoeing around issues as if I have something to prove. Blacks/Whites/Asians/ Mexicans are all equally capable of evil, and should be held equally accountable for their actions without being allowed to play the Hurt-Feelings / I'm Oppressed! card. (Oh wait, they already told white people they can't do this).

To all you bleeding heart liberals out there: Get Over It. Not everyone is inherently good. In fact some people are pretty rotten. Some of these people are going to be of a race other than white. When this happens, t is okay to say it anyway. When you see these things and point them out, that doesn't make you ignorant- it makes you wise. Ignorance is allowing yourself to be manipulated to the point where you no longer see the truth or have the courage to point it out.

One more thing, to those of you who think Palin is a traitor to her gender because she is pro-life: In my opinion, as a woman she deserves even more respect for taking this stance because she is giving up her option to terminate a pregnancy on the grounds that she (gasps) believes that to do so is wrong. She is giving up her choice in the matter in favor of her principles. Go figure.

[Greenday]

I'm missing the sexism part still. No has made fun of Palin for being a woman. People are making fun of her because she flaunts her looks, has total crap for policies, and probably doesn't even know the meaning of the word ethics.

[Amethyst Hunter]

Not everyone is inherently good. In fact some people are pretty rotten. Some of these people are going to be of a race other than white. When this happens, t is okay to say it anyway. When you see these things and point them out, that doesn't make you ignorant- it makes you wise. Ignorance is allowing yourself to be manipulated to the point where you no longer see the truth or have the courage to point it out.

I agree. Like I've said to a friend of mine re: death penalty and punishment for crime, "I'm liberal...but I ain't THAT liberal."

One more thing, to those of you who think Palin is a traitor to her gender because she is pro-life: In my opinion, as a woman she deserves even more respect for taking this stance because she is giving up her option to terminate a pregnancy on the grounds that she (gasps) believes that to do so is wrong. She is giving up her choice in the matter in favor of her principles. Go figure.

No. Palin deserves NO respect whatsoever, and here's why: She's not content to keep this choice to herself. She would take that choice away from ALL women, conservative, liberal, and everything in-between. She also supports people who would take away *birth control* - the very thing that helps prevent unwanted pregnancies and thus, abortions.

It's one thing to say "I would not choose abortion for myself." That I don't have a problem with. Where I get pissed off is when someone else tells me I or anyone else can't make that choice because *they* don't like it. Frankly, I think anyone who would deny a *rape victim* the right to choose an abortion if that's what she wanted can go straight to hell. (And surprise, surprise, Palin opposes abortion rights even in cases of rape; she flat-out said if her daughter were to suffer that horror she would not let the girl choose to abort. If that isn't evil and cruel, I don't know what is.)

Also, as a lifelong celibate person who's on birth control for the express purpose of regulating a cycle that could cause me some serious problems later down the road if left to run rampant, I have NO respect for anyone who would take away even birth control because they wrongfully equate that with abortion (a popular lie). Palin is supported by the so-called Feminists For Life, which refers to birth control as "abortifacients", which is a dominionist codeword for *any* contraception that doesn't involve the bullshit Natural Family Planning (not for nothing is there a joke among doctors that goes "what do you call someone using NFP as their birth control? Daddy/Mommy.") I will never support anyone who thinks they should have the right to play God with my medications just because they don't like them.

In short: don't like abortion, don't have one. Don't like contraception, don't use it. It's that painfully simple. Palin is anything *BUT* "pro-life" (especially considering that she loves to kill wolves from a helicopter as "sport" and, according to a recent TV interview, refused to admit that the scumbags who bomb and shoot up women's clinics are not terrorists, which they clearly are), and calling her such is an insult to the pro-life people who respect other people's right to make their own choices.

[Boozy]

Look everybody, it's just as childish as high school! The pretty girls are considered dumb and vapid because they bother to look nice...If you want to criticize someone, how about keeping it to their education, policies, ethics?

Why are you assuming that people think she's dumb because she's pretty? There's plenty of valid reasons to think she's maybe not the sharpest politician out there. Personally, I think she's dumb because every time she opens her mouth, stupid comes out. The Katie Couric interview was one of the most idiotic I've heard with a national-level politician.

Palin has gotten good distance from the package she has; and a large part of that package is her appearance, and she uses it to full advantage. If she doesn't want people talking about her looks, she needs to stop winking at cameras.

[IDrinkaRum]

No body has said anything about Biden or Obama's wardrobes. They haven't peeped about McCain's wardrobe. Why is that? Why should we care what Palin is wearing?

And there was a huge spread in like Vogue or some big name magazine publication where Michelle Obama was photographed in the "Oval Office" and she was decked out to the 10's but not a peep about that.

And how much $$ has the Democrat party spent to make Biden look good (and it was completely wasted in the V.P. debate as Biden looked older than McCain and I thought he was going to drop dead at any moment). And don't forget about the Democrat National Convention where they had those Greek-like columns and all that lighting? How much $$ was that and are they being used again? I think not.

However, this is a thread about another assassination plot against a Presidential nominee just because he is Black. That's sad. Very sad.

[anriana]

One more thing, to those of you who think Palin is a traitor to her gender because she is pro-life: In my opinion, as a woman she deserves even more respect for taking this stance because she is giving up her option to terminate a pregnancy on the grounds that she (gasps) believes that to do so is wrong. She is giving up her choice in the matter in favor of her principles. Go figure.

I like how you condescendingly make it sound like anyone who opposes pro-life women has a problem with people of principle.

I give up my option to eat animals from American slaughterhouses because I (gasp) believe that is wrong. I give up my choice in favor of my principles. Go figure, because no one ever follows their principles and we should respect anyone who believes in them enough to want to enforce them on an entire nation, right?

And she is not giving up that option; she's only giving up the option to have an abortion publicly, and trying to do away with MY option to have an abortion. Do you think she couldn't afford to have a discrete doctor make a house call? There are plenty of women who believe "The only moral abortion is my abortion."

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[Boozy]

No body has said anything about Biden or Obama's wardrobes. They haven't peeped about McCain's wardrobe. Why is that? Why should we care what Palin is wearing?

I agree with you wholeheartedly here. I was dismayed to see the attention Palin's wardrobe got, when no one has said anything about the cost of John McCain's suits. That is definitely sexism.

[jayel]

Amethyst Hunter,

Are you aware that ALL politicians are in the habit of making decisions and enforcing policies that affect everyone else? Yup. That's what they do. If you don't like the way one thinks, don't vote for him/ her. But don't blame one for making a decision and standing by it just because you don't like it. That's their job. Personally I have more respect for one that stands firmly by what they really believe, whether or not I agree, than one who wavers around trying to make everyone happy.

And Boozy, I say people are saying she is dumb because of how she looks because people ARE saying that. My post is not just regarding this message board; it's in general.

Anriana: See my reply to Amethyst Hunter.

[AFPheonix]

People like you are the reason there will probably never be a woman president. I don't see anyone making such a huge deal out of the men's wardrobe or appearance. Or for that matter, Michelle O's. Oh, but according to some people, it's apparently okay to be sexist, but not racist. Oh, but not sexist toward someone of another race, because that would be projected as racism too.

Oh, but they did. Don't you recall a certain $200 haircut for a certain democratic male candidate during the primaries?

I don't think anyone would be making a big deal of her wardrobe if she wasn't presenting herself as a "real American" (whatever that means) who shoots and eats moose and drinks beer and does whatever it is that "real Americans" do. Real Americans don't get movie-grade cosmeticians to do their makeup. Real Americans don't get 6 figure wardrobes from Saks. It was the hypocrisy and disparity between the message and the reality of the candidate that people were and are objecting to.

Some people may say that she's dumb. I don't think that at all. Woefully ignorant, even willfully so, yes, but not dumb. Much like a certain sitting president. Both I trust about as far as I can throw.

And now to sexism: I will agree that some of the remarks about her decision to accept the post while having a new baby were rooted in sexism. And yet, I think she still got a whole lot less lobbed her way than Hilary did, and I don't see you mentioning a lot of the mistreatment she got. Hilary has her faults, but she at least keeps up on current events and has half a clue as to what's going on around her, unlike Palin.

As to us "bleeding heart liberals" here, I don't think you'll hear any argument about whether people are bad or not no matter their color, but you WILL hear about economic and social disparity that may lead to socially unacceptable behaviors, which minorities are more subject to because they tend to be in lower classes. We have not yet achieved true equality for all. Especially not for hispanics who are looked at sideways constantly by people wondering if they're illegal, or people who look middle-eastern having to deal with people thinking they're terrorists just because of their skin color and face shape.

[Amethyst Hunter]

Amethyst Hunter,

Are you aware that ALL politicians are in the habit of making decisions and enforcing policies that affect everyone else? Yup. That's what they do. If you don't like the way one thinks, don't vote for him/ her. But don't blame one for making a decision and standing by it just because you don't like it. That's their job. Personally I have more respect for one that stands firmly by what they really believe, whether or not I agree, than one who wavers around trying to make everyone happy.

And are you aware that you too are affected by these decisions?

Palin isn't content to abide by the consequences of her own decision. She wants to enforce that choice, or rather, lack of it, on everybody else. She wants to enforce her personal view of "morality" on everybody whether they like it or not. It's the same thing as if I were to say "Those who believe in Christianity can no longer worship that god because I believe it's wrong." A person's specific morality cannot be enforced when it doesn't apply as one-size-fits-all. That's what sets her apart from someone who has made a conscious decision not to engage in a particular behavior, but does not deny others the right to perform that behavior if that's what they choose.

As such, she can go fuck herself with a rusty fork as far as I'm concerned. Because NO WAY IN HELL is anybody going to force me to have something I don't want if God forbid I was ever raped, and NO WAY IN HELL is anybody going to take my medications away from me just because they have a burr up their ass about a woman's right to control her own goddamned body.