Birther ordered to pay for crazy lawsuits

[Duelist925]

So the words of individuals mean it applies to the entire group? And yet somehow it's "fact" and not "stereotyping"?



Does not understanding -or knowing - why mean the answer *must* therefore be "well they hate him cos he's black," then?


Like I said "control the language tactics"

Give us a SINGLE other reason why they continue ignore the evidence thats been given.

Please.

What reasoning do you have? I am honestly curious as to what reasoning you have that makes you think, despite the evidence thats been released as Stabeler points out, that he "lied through his teeth" as you stated earlier in the thread?

What, as you again stated earlier in the thread, "discrepencies" are there?

I really want to know.

[Andara Bledin]

Personally I also think he lied through his teeth. I'm not spending my time digging it up though because I think even if we had documentable proof that he lied, people would just ignore it anyway.

You mean like people pretty much ignore the documented proof that he was born in the US?

Like that?

And is it possible for the "I'm not a Birther because I'm racist" side to stop screaming about not being racist and how everybody is wrong for saying so (despite half the people not having said so in the first place) at least long enough to come up with a single (just one) reason other than either racism or blind party-ism as to why they don't believe any of the evidence provided about his being a US citizen?

[mikoyan29]

So the words of individuals mean it applies to the entire group? And yet somehow it's "fact" and not "stereotyping"?

Leaders are a little bit more than just individuals though. They are normally the ones that represent the group.

[crashhelmet]

So the words of individuals mean it applies to the entire group? And yet somehow it's "fact" and not "stereotyping"?

In most cases, leaders become leaders because they hold and actively demonstrate the ideals of their followers. When they do things their followers don't agree with, they no longer have followers.

Does not understanding -or knowing - why mean the answer *must* therefore be "well they hate him cos he's black," then?


Like I said "control the language tactics"

Surely, you're familiar with Occam's Razor, right?

What else is there to be to considered other than racism? Surely, they're not all ignorant, blind sheeple with no minds or sense of logic of their own.

[Hyena Dandy]

Again, I'd like to hear the actual 'inconsistencies' you're talking about. The ones that prove his mother isn't really his mother, because otherwise, he could be born on the Moon and still be a US citizen.

[PepperElf]

again, when it's the only answer you accept ... no other answer will matter.


It's like one guy from my first ship. He told me I was cheating on my boyfriend because I went out to the bar alone and danced with other men. I wasn't cheating but... the truth didn't matter. I was a cheating whore because he would accept no other answer. Hell even my boyfriend didn't agree with him. But ... when you only accept one answer you don't care about anything else.

no other answer will ever be the "right" one unless it fits the assumption.

[Nyoibo]

Instead of filibustering why don't you answer the questions? This is a debate forum, don't put forward your views if you're not going to explain or defend them.

[Jaden]

again, when it's the only answer you accept ... no other answer will matter.

You haven't even tried to give another answer. All you've said is "No, you're wrong" and that's it. Stop deflecting the question and answer it. All you're doing is making yourself look like you don't have an answer and are just dogmatically sticking to your guns regardless of evidence. Ironically, exactly what you accuse us of doing.

[Hyena Dandy]

Answer the question. You're not answering the question. You're ignoring the question. I want an answer to the question. That, funnily enough, is why I ASKED it.

I want some evidence that Obama's mother is not who he claims it is. I want some reason to actually believe either

1) Ann Dunham was not a US Citizen

2) Ann Dunham was not Barack Obama's mother.

Those are important steps to proving that Barack Obama is not legally qualified to be president. So, do you have any evidence that Obama is not actually a US Citizen?

You keep saying you're not racist. Fine. I believe you. You're not racist. That is something that I can take your word on. You know you better than anyone else knows you.

You also say that you think Obama isn't a US Citizen. I can take your word on that, too. I can take your word that YOU THINK Obama isn't a US Citizen. But now I'm asking why you think Obama is not a US Citizen.

I want an answer to that question. What reason do you have for thinking Obama is not a US Citizen. I believe you're not racist, I believe you think Obama's not a US Citizen. I think that this would probably happen to any President who had one non-citizen parent. But... Come on.

This is important. This is, after all, the Presidency of the United States we're talking about, one of, if not the, most powerful nations in the world. If its leader is not qualified to lead it, that's an actually important thing, and as a citizen of that nation, I would rather like to know about that and see what, if anything, can be done to effect that.

So. TELL ME. Please! I care! I want to know! Right now, I think Obama's a US Citizen. But this is something you can actually convince me is not true, if you give me some evidence that Ann Dunham is not a citizen, or not his mother. Just ANSWER THE QUESTION instead of giving me irrelevant anecdotes about being accused of cheating.

[Duelist925]

again, when it's the only answer you accept ... no other answer will matter.


It's like one guy from my first ship. He told me I was cheating on my boyfriend because I went out to the bar alone and danced with other men. I wasn't cheating but... the truth didn't matter. I was a cheating whore because he would accept no other answer. Hell even my boyfriend didn't agree with him. But ... when you only accept one answer you don't care about anything else.

no other answer will ever be the "right" one unless it fits the assumption.

Maybe its the only answer we accept because no one else has put forth another freaking answer.

This is a debate forum. Let is actually DEBATE. Tell us your reasoning. Tell us why you think the way you do regarding this issue. Give us something to ACTUALLY DEBATE and stop deflecting by saying we'll just call you racist anyway.

If you give us something to actually debate, we will debate it. If you don't we are just going to assume you have no answer and are just fillibustering.

Please give us your reasoning.

[PepperElf]

actually that can apply to your reply as well.


but using the "fillibuster" stuff... eh, another "control the language" tactic.

don't like someone's point and they don't change it. why they're filibustering then!

[Andara Bledin]

again, when it's the only answer you accept ... no other answer will matter.

How is that not your position?

actually that can apply to your reply as well.

No, that's not how debate works. That's how you deflect, yet again, that you refuse to support your assertion in any manner whatsoever.

None of us need to provide proof because the proof is out there. There's his mother, his father, him, the announcement in the paper, the short form, the declaration that the long form is there and says what the short form says, and actual witnesses who all say the same thing.

Then there are the birthers, a group of people who claim that all of that evidence is proof of some grand conspiracy that nobody else seems to know about and you are one of them, yet you constantly refuse to provide even a single reason why you have that position.

If you really are not racist and not a blind follower of the dogma of the group you associate with, then you'll have one and you won't have any reason to keep avoiding the question.

If you do continue to stall, deflect, and otherwise pretend that there's no question to be answered, then the only option left for the rest of us is to assume that you're simply lying and won't admit it.

Because, honestly, you've given us nothing else.

[Jaden]

don't like someone's point and they don't change it. why they're filibustering then!

You're not. Making. A POINT.

How do we make this more obvious? We are asking - BEGGING - for you to offer a shred of defense for your position. Like, even a little bit. You haven't made a single point this entire time. All you've done is deflect and made yourself look like either a liar or somebody who knows you're wrong but refuses to admit it. That's all you've done. And it's not our fault for twisting the language, it's your fault for refusing to say anything of substance to us about the matter at hand.

[Hyena Dandy]

actually that can apply to your reply as well.


but using the "fillibuster" stuff... eh, another "control the language" tactic.

don't like someone's point and they don't change it. why they're filibustering then!

You haven't actually MADE a point. Once you make a point, we can discuss it, and we can stop accusing you of filibustering. Or, in more common, 'less controlled' words.

Make a POINT and we can TALK ABOUT THE POINT. I don't know if I like your point UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY MAKE A POINT.

[Duelist925]

actually that can apply to your reply as well.


but using the "fillibuster" stuff... eh, another "control the language" tactic.

don't like someone's point and they don't change it. why they're filibustering then!

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You have made NO POINT.

You have given NO EVIDENCE.

You have done nothing by stall, deflect, and, yes, fillibuster.

You have been very clear that you think we all will blindly call racism and other such nonsense that you term "controlling the language" tactics if you did offer something of substance.


But you haven't. You've provided nothing of substance. We've provided meat. We've pointed out the proof on our side.

You've done nothing of the sort. So, yes, right now I am assuming you are either racist or following blind idiot dogma of your party.

Prove. Me. Wrong.

Do NOT talk to me about language tactics. Provide some EVIDENCE of your point of view. ANYTHING. I honestly want to know, I am honestly curious, because I have seen you make intelligent points elsewhere in the forum, but here you have done nothing of the sort.