Republicans: crybabies or patriots?

[smileyeagle1021]

Telephonegoddess, giving your tea party relatives credit where it is due, us outsiders do hate their "real" America and do want to destroy it. We want the America we were promised in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, not the white washed nightmarish version of the 50s that they cling to where coloreds had their place, women were subservient, Muslims didn't exist, and it was still socially acceptable to beat the gay out of someone.

[ThePhoneGoddess]

Telephonegoddess, giving your tea party relatives credit where it is due, us outsiders do hate their "real" America and do want to destroy it. We want the America we were promised in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, not the white washed nightmarish version of the 50s that they cling to where coloreds had their place, women were subservient, Muslims didn't exist, and it was still socially acceptable to beat the gay out of someone.

Yes and I agree, but the point I was attempting to make is that these people see you and I and the rest of America as malevolent. They do not understand that we feel this way because we believe that a more tolerant society will be better for everyone. At best, they see us as deluded by the devil. At worst, they are convinced we want destruction for destruction's sake. That's what really surprised me; they think we hate them and their way of life so much that we want to destroy America out of spite.

They think the same thing of Obama; that's what all those 'Kenyan Muslim Socialist' claims are about. My Grandma seriously told me that Obama is the devil, and he's trying to destroy America from within. She's not even religious! Now, I've got my own quibbles with Obama, but I don't believe he's the devil, or that he wants to destroy the country. I've never thought that about any politician in my life, and it really freaks me out, because when people are that frightened, they will do terrible things they wouldn't do otherwise.

[Greenday]

Well, after about a week and a half of not much to do since the government supplies most of our contracts, my job may be in jeopardy since I'm the most inexperienced and newest employee.

Thanks, Repubs!

Edit: What job? Thanks Congress!

[HYHYBT]

Ouch! Sorry to hear that. Maybe they'll bring you back once this is over and things have picked up.

[XCashier]

Edit: What job? Thanks Congress!

That really sucks. I hope things get better for you.

[mikoyan29]

So now we are going into the third week of the shutdown. We still seem to be pissing around with what is going to happen even though stuff could get real as we hit the debt cieling. Of course Boehner could put the stuff up for a vote but he doesn't seem to want to do that....so what next?

[Panacea]

So now we are going into the third week of the shutdown. We still seem to be pissing around with what is going to happen even though stuff could get real as we hit the debt cieling. Of course Boehner could put the stuff up for a vote but he doesn't seem to want to do that....so what next?

There's a group of bipartian Senators who have a plan to reopen the government, but Harry Reid won't bring it to a vote. It's not a bad plan: it re opens the government with a CR, delays the debt ceiling, and doesn't repeal Obamacare. It does delay the implementation of the medical device tax for 2 years, which I can live with.

Reid should allow a vote on this plan. I think it would pass the Senate. The House is another matter, but it might give Boehner enough face saving that he'd bring it to the floor. If he does, I think it would pass.

[mikoyan29]

I'm actually getting sick of these manufactured crises. We haven't had a proper budget passed since 2009 or something like that. How does that affect the various agencies in their planning activities anyway?

[Hyena Dandy]

I'm actually getting sick of these manufactured crises. We haven't had a proper budget passed since 2009 or something like that. How does that affect the various agencies in their planning activities anyway?

The lack of an actual budget hasn't had too much of an effect, really. Because the CRs have meant that basically they've been repassing the same budget from before 2009. To hear dad tell it, it's actually been pretty stable, except when the Republicans bring up the need to 'tighten purse strings' and the Park Service gets put on the block.

[mikoyan29]

The lack of an actual budget hasn't had too much of an effect, really. Because the CRs have meant that basically they've been repassing the same budget from before 2009. To hear dad tell it, it's actually been pretty stable, except when the Republicans bring up the need to 'tighten purse strings' and the Park Service gets put on the block.

A friend of mine sent me an article from an IT site and the continuing resolutions don't help with long term planning for infrastructure type things....and probably cost us more in the long run.

Of all the stuff I've heard as potential fallout from all of this was the Chinese rumbling of taking the world off the dollar.

[smileyeagle1021]

Of all the stuff I've heard as potential fallout from all of this was the Chinese rumbling of taking the world off the dollar.

Which is probably just political grandstanding from them... we import far too much from them for them to destabilize the currency.

[s_stabeler]

thye may ahve no choice. their primary concern is protecting their assets. if there is a realistic chance of losing their money, they will take it elsewhere. They would take a hit from a collapse of the US, but could probably find new markets. (UK & EU come to mind)

[Andara Bledin]

The problem, as pointed out by people on another forum who are far more informed and educated than myself on matters of politics and economics, it's highly likely that should the US have a full default, the entire global economy is likely to destabilize in a rather unpleasant manner for just about everybody.

[mikoyan29]

Which is probably just political grandstanding from them... we import far too much from them for them to destabilize the currency.

Taking the world off the dollar standard would have a pretty significant impact on us and I imagine there is some element of grandstanding. But if we start showing ourselves to not be a stable country with a stable government, I could see where they'd have no choice.

[Panacea]

A friend of mine sent me an article from an IT site and the continuing resolutions don't help with long term planning for infrastructure type things....and probably cost us more in the long run.

Of all the stuff I've heard as potential fallout from all of this was the Chinese rumbling of taking the world off the dollar.

That will never happen. The Chinese tie their currency to the US dollar, artificially inflating it. They've toned it down lately, but the truth is their currency wouldn't be worth shit without the dollar.