I can't believe I'm supporting a bunch of Liberals! :D

[Greenday]

I'm not going to try to define your politics, but you certainly are conversative Here, at least.

You say that, and I'd agree based on a lot of posts I've made here, yet I'm all for legalizing drugs and getting people the help they need to get off them, I believe in welfare, socialized healthcare, pro-choice, taxing the wealthy more since they can handle the burden more, abolishing the death penalty, stopping the treatment of corporations as if they are people, plus many other liberal views.

I just tend not to post on a lot of those threads because everyone here agrees on them so what's the point?

[NecCat]

yet I'm all for.... pro-choice .... abolishing the death penalty....

Really? That may be the most bizarre thing I've read. Your good with killing babies, but against killing criminals? Really?

[Greenday]

Really? That may be the most bizarre thing I've read. Your good with killing babies, but against killing criminals? Really?

>Implying that abortions actually involve babies.

[SkullKing]

Really? That may be the most bizarre thing I've read. Your good with killing babies, but against killing criminals? Really?

I am with Greenday on this. I think abortions done before a certain time have elapsed don´t really kill a "baby",just a lump of flesh.

Thinking some criminals should die is not the same as allowing the state to kill criminals, specially if you believe the state justice system is flawed, and would result in the killing of innocents

[HYHYBT]

Just to be clear: I didn't say you were conservative. I agreed, jokingly, that you were indeed conVERSative.

As for abortion, I don't get the absolutist nature of one side of the argument. Why the absolute insistence that a fertilized egg and a fully gestated baby are the same? Flour, sugar, eggs, etc. are not a cake. Even mixed together, while they have the potential to become a cake, they are only batter. In the oven, they gradually become a cake over time. Why, other than the result being a human rather than a dessert, is it any different? Why the absolute insistence that it always was a cake from the beginning, and especially, why do they so often speak of, and to, those who disagree, not as people who disagree with their premise, but as if everybody really knew a zygote is a baby and they just want to excuse killing them? (See the above post claiming a disconnect between pro-choice and anti-death penalty for a near perfect example.)

[Greenday]

I look forward to using that in future debates. Excellent description.

[NecCat]

In a last-ditch attempt not to derail this thread I started one on abortion in social woes

[Gravekeeper]

People are insanely stupid when it comes to political/social beliefs. They think they can sum you up based on one single opinion on one single topic. It's unbelievably pathetic.

I find this is a massive problem in American politics. Politics are treated like sports teams and its not a matter of solving a problem, just making sure you beat the other team. Then people trying and shove you on one team or another so that they can resume either cheering with you or hating you.

[TheHuckster]

I find this is a massive problem in American politics. Politics are treated like sports teams and its not a matter of solving a problem, just making sure you beat the other team. Then people trying and shove you on one team or another so that they can resume either cheering with you or hating you.

At least with sports teams, there are more than two to realistically root for. Our system is more like a hypothetical NFL where only the Cowboys and the Ravens have been to every superbowl for the past 100 years and it's silly to root for any other team.

[Gravekeeper]

At least with sports teams, there are more than two to realistically root for. Our system is more like a hypothetical NFL where only the Cowboys and the Ravens have been to every superbowl for the past 100 years and it's silly to root for any other team.

Thats a big part of the problem. Up here we have always had 3-4 major parties going back and forth. We currently have 5 parties in parliament and a couple of independents.

With the parliamentary system in Canada I can make up my own team based on anything I want if I'm willing to pay the processing fees and run the candidates. We have all sorts of crazy or amusing little parties. I think we have something like 3 Communist parties, and at least that many or more parties whose entire platform is legalizing weed. My favourite is the Rhinoceros party though. Their platform is that they promise to not keep any of their election promises if elected.

We do have one hardcore American style Christian evangelical party that wants to ban abortion, revoke gay marriage, reinstate capital punish and fight Sharia law and all that sort of thing. Last election they got all of 0.13% of the popular vote.

[TheHuckster]

Thats a big part of the problem. Up here we have always had 3-4 major parties going back and forth. We currently have 5 parties in parliament and a couple of independents.

With the parliamentary system in Canada I can make up my own team based on anything I want if I'm willing to pay the processing fees and run the candidates. We have all sorts of crazy or amusing little parties. I think we have something like 3 Communist parties, and at least that many or more parties whose entire platform is legalizing weed. My favourite is the Rhinoceros party though. Their platform is that they promise to not keep any of their election promises if elected.

We do have one hardcore American style Christian evangelical party that wants to ban abortion, revoke gay marriage, reinstate capital punish and fight Sharia law and all that sort of thing. Last election they got all of 0.13% of the popular vote.

We have those crazy parties in the states, too, and most of them have less than 1% of the popular vote in each election. There's a blue moose, prohibition, communist, and some bizarre party called "Dinner with Bob" in one of our local ballots.

[Gravekeeper]

We have those crazy parties in the states, too, and most of them have less than 1% of the popular vote in each election. There's a blue moose, prohibition, communist, and some bizarre party called "Dinner with Bob" in one of our local ballots.

I would argue that one of them seems to consistently get like 47% of the popular vote. >.>

But yes, I don't think anything matches the lunacy that seems to occur at a local political level in some States. Didn't someone accuse the the front runner of being a robot a few days ago in one of the Republican primaries?

[Greenday]

I would argue that one of them seems to consistently get like 47% of the popular vote. >.>

But yes, I don't think anything matches the lunacy that seems to occur at a local political level in some States. Didn't someone accuse the the front runner of being a robot a few days ago in one of the Republican primaries?

Basically he asserted that the person he was facing was a double of the congressman.

It's no longer about doing good for the people. It's about doing what's best to keep the party in power. For what? I don't know since once they are in power, they still don't accomplish anything of merit.

[Gravekeeper]

It's no longer about doing good for the people. It's about doing what's best to keep the party in power. For what? I don't know since once they are in power, they still don't accomplish anything of merit.

At this point its basically a vicious contest between old white men where they spend millions of dollars for the right to be able to say stupid shit on network television.

[wolfie]

We have all sorts of crazy or amusing little parties. I think we have something like 3 Communist parties, and at least that many or more parties whose entire platform is legalizing weed. My favourite is the Rhinoceros party though. Their platform is that they promise to not keep any of their election promises if elected.

Don't forget the Marijuana Party. As you can probably guess from their name, they support the legalization of marijuana. I'm inclined to support them (they've never run a candidate in my riding) because unlike the major parties, after reading their party platform you're not likely to ask yourself "WTF were those guys smoking?"