Chastity Bono's Coming Out again . .

[anriana]

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Very classy!

[telecom_goddess]

She will never truly be a he, regardless of what kind of surgeries happen. It will just be a woman with mutilated genitalia. Why people refer to this as changing the person's sex, I have never been able to figure out. Her sex will not change. She will just have a doctor mutilate her to appear more male.

Don't go there...what this kind of surgery does for transgendered people is allow the outside to match the inside...so yes he WILL be male in mind, body and soul.

I have never had the desire for a sex change myself but can't COMPLETELY understand the desire....it's like making a wrong into something right. It's a correction.

[Flyndaran]

Don't go there...what this kind of surgery does for transgendered people is allow the outside to match the inside...so yes he WILL be male in mind, body and soul.
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That mentality requires this sentence to be accurate.
He has a fully functional vagina.

I don't understand the whole idea of gender identity anyway.
If I woke up a woman, I would not demand expensive dangerous surgery to change back.
It's simply a mental illness which is far easier to treat through surgery than therapy.

[Boozy]

If I woke up a woman, I would not demand expensive dangerous surgery to change back.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume that the majority of men would at least strongly consider the surgery, in that situation.

At the very least, they would not start living life as a woman. They would continue to identify as male, as they have their whole lives.

I put forth this thought experiment to my husband. He said that he wouldn't immediately go for the surgery until he did the research, but he would "definitely seek a way back" to having male body. At the very least, he'd do the hormonal sex change (testosterone injections).

[Flyndaran]

I just don't get that.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
My changed into a functional woman's body wouldn't need fixing.
I'm comfortable being a dude, but I don't see anything wrong with women's bodies that need surgery.

[daleduke17]

Don't go there...what this kind of surgery does for transgendered people is allow the outside to match the inside...so yes he WILL be male in mind, body and soul.

"He" would only be male on the outside. The internal workings (DNA and all) would still be female.

[the_std]

Sex and gender are two completely different things. I personally believe that it is entirely possible to be a female, biologically speaking, but a man as the gender you identify with. The mind is much more complicated than the body. Why is it so terrible to think that there are people who do not fit into the lines their bodies have set for them?

And as to the implication that there is nothing wrong with these people? That there is nothing broken? They are broken because the person they are does not match the body they have, so they're trying to make it right. It is a terrible feeling, not to match your body. Why begrudge them the surgery they require to be themselves?

[daleduke17]

Why begrudge them the surgery they require to be themselves?

Because we can't have everything we want. A sex change is not a requirement, it's a want (there may be isolated incidents where it is medically required).

I want to have 20/20 uncorrected vision. I don't have the money for it, therefore I can't get it. It's not a requirement for me to live. I want to have the vision, just like they want to change sexes.

[the_std]

I wasn't talking about expense. I was talking about some of the opinions expressed in this thread that the surgery is never required, ever.

[telecom_goddess]

"He" would only be male on the outside. The internal workings (DNA and all) would still be female.

By "inside" I meant what's in the heart and mind, not dna

Because we can't have everything we want. A sex change is not a requirement, it's a want (there may be isolated incidents where it is medically required).

I want to have 20/20 uncorrected vision. I don't have the money for it, therefore I can't get it. It's not a requirement for me to live. I want to have the vision, just like they want to change sexes.

Oh I beg to differ....it is required to live, and have a fully functioning life. Too many people in this situation who aren't able to correct it end up committing suicide. It's more of a mental health condition I guess....technically. But that's the problem ....a lot of people discount mental issues of ANY sort as not a "real" illness.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

That mentality requires this sentence to be accurate.
He has a fully functional vagina.

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I am pretty sure that while a transgendered woman is, obviously, unable to have children, she will indeed have a functioning vagina.

By the way, JuniorMintz, good point. We won't let same sex couples marry, but then give them all kind of abuse when they try to change into male-female couples. It just never ends.

[Flyndaran]

I am pretty sure that while a transgendered woman is, obviously, unable to have children, she will indeed have a functioning vagina.
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That's not quite what I meant. I wasn't arguing against the vagina part. I just meant that referring to someone that was once male as he even after a full sex change is kind of silly.
Then again I wish that medical science really could create a function penis and not just for all the women wanting to be full males.
If and when that happens I will be completely comfortable referring to former shes as hes after such surgeries.

[Flyndaran]

"He" would only be male on the outside. The internal workings (DNA and all) would still be female.

Do you call those with complete testosterone insensitivity hes? Even though they appear completely female at birth and don't know until puberty and after medical evaluations that they are genetically male?
That seems needlessly hurtful.
It's quite possible that such instances are the reason for quite a few women's infertility.

[telecom_goddess]

I would call anyone "he" that identified as a male, and "she" that identified as a female. In other words what they want to be called.

I have a lot of respect for people who have to go through the tremendous work it takes to become the opposite gender. Not only that but they have to go through prejudice of all kinds too.

The odd thing is unless Chastity's sexual preferences change she will stop being gay and become straight

[Flyndaran]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.