Chastity Bono's Coming Out again . .

[blas87]

Personally, I see people like Isis from ANTM, and I think freak show.

[Flyndaran]

Personally, I see people like Isis from ANTM, and I think freak show.

How so? She seems normal looking to me from the shots I could find on the net.

[AFPheonix]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.

Perhaps, but female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality is. I suspect there are many females who are really ok with having transgendered partners.

[Flyndaran]

Perhaps, but female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality is. I suspect there are many females who are really ok with having transgendered partners.

Eh, if someone completely looks like a female then I'll probably treat her like a female in social situations. For me personally, a woman would have to smell like a woman for me to have any chance at starting a romantic relationship.
Then again, I've seen some pictures of some rather sub par vaginoplasties that would gross me out if I was blindsided so to speak.

[anriana]

But women who want to date "him" will have to be gay. I would be gay to like someone with a penis, so to like the vagina requires a woman to be gay no matter how P.C. you need to be.

Would you be gay if you liked a shemale? If you enjoyed playing with zir breasts or stroking zir hair? Ze would have a penis, so that would make you gay, right?

Sexuality isn't all about the penis and vagina.

Take a hypothetical kinky person who enjoys being topped by men. They start dating a top with wide shoulders, a soul patch, a deep, manly voice, body hair, a ton of testosterone pumping through their system, and whatever other male markers you can envision. However, this person was born a woman and hasn't had genital surgery. Is this hypothetical person gay if they let their partner flog them? If the couple does penetrative play with a dildo? What if they break up and this person goes back to dating men-born-men. Are they now classified as bisexual?

[Flyndaran]

Men liking penises are gay.
Men liking vaginas are hetero. The other stuff is just kink.
I find it interesting that this is even up for discussion.

[anriana]

Men liking penises are gay.
Men liking vaginas are hetero. The other stuff is just kink.
I find it interesting that this is even up for discussion.

So the only thing you're attracted to in women is their vagina? Not any other signs of feminity? Are you only attracted to women after you do a check of their genitalia to make sure you won't be gay by finding them attractive?

If you don't want to debate it then don't reply to my posts. Don't imply that I'm a idiot because I don't agree with your narrow defintion of sexuality.

[Flyndaran]

So the only thing you're attracted to in women is their vagina? Not any other signs of feminity? Are you only attracted to women after you do a check of their genitalia to make sure you won't be gay by finding them attractive?

I'm a little odd. I find smell by far the most important sexually attractive feature in a woman. But even if I smelled a freaky male that smelled like an attractive woman, I would be dis-attracted by his male genatalia.
That's why movies like "The Crying Game" so horrifies most men.

If you don't want to debate it then don't reply to my posts. Don't imply that I'm a idiot because I don't agree with your narrow defintion of sexuality.

I meant no such thing. I was simply lamenting the fact that one more concept that I thought was commonly accepted, isn't.
I thought the contention was whether sexuality was innate or learned, not what gay and hetero even means. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.