Who shalle celebrate with me....

[Giggle Goose]

I didn't find this thread skeazy because of the ages of the posters, I found it skeazy because of the subject matter. All I got from this was "I'm going to fap to Emma Watson, diggity diggity dig!"

Dear Diary,

JACKPOT!!!!!!!!

[Seshat]

I didn't find this thread skeazy because of the ages of the posters, I found it skeazy because of the subject matter. All I got from this was "I'm going to fap to Emma Watson, diggity diggity dig!"

Me too.

That sort of comment just creeps me out.

Well, you also don't know myself, Greenday, or any of the rest of us as it comes to our senses of humor then. <snip> I just found it coincidental that on April 15th, a day us American dread, one of my favorite actresses reaches true adulthood.

.... and the rest of us would know April 15th is significant ... how, exactly?

I've been associating with Americans for over a decade - almost two now - and all I know is that April-ish is tax time.

[AFPheonix]

Oh c'mon people, relax. Men and women the world over fap or schlick to pretty people. Why should Emma be any different?
Hell, one of my new roomies and I were checkin' out the waiter at the restaurant last night much to my husband's and his brother's dismay.

[Seshat]

Oh c'mon people, relax. Men and women the world over fap or schlick to pretty people.

Yup, you've officially Missed The Point.

Why should Emma be any different?

She shouldn't. Which is at least part of the point.

The whole idea of 'I don't care who she is or what she's like as a person, I just wanna fap to her jugglies' creeps me out.

I don't care who it is - Emma or George Clooney or that cute guy/girl down the street.

Hell, one of my new roomies and I were checkin' out the waiter at the restaurant last night much to my husband's and his brother's dismay.

I hope you didn't let on to the waiter. You know how many threads we get on CS about 'the creepy guy/girl'.

Of course, providing an opening flirt and either continuing or backing off depending on the response is fine.

But there's a huge difference between that (which acknowledges the other person as a person) and the sort of creepy staring that just lets you know that the starer is going to think of you tonight while they masturbate.

[Slytovhand]

To be a 's advocate....

Ummm... I'm thinking, it's the idea that has kept humanity's population increasing over the last few million years. Regardless of the apparent intelligence that humans exhibit (or not ), we are still animals whose primary urge is to mate with what is considered the best breeding stock available. Survive - and procreate. I look around at the population and the stuff we do, and all I can think is 'we're still animals'...

Seshat - yeah, it does creep out staff - but doesn't that depend on how it's done? (course - I think it's pretty hard not to creep someone out, but there are those who do...).


15/04??? (that'll confuse my american readers )


Oh...'fap'? 'Schlick'???

[Boozy]

The whole idea of 'I don't care who she is or what she's like as a person, I just wanna fap to her jugglies' creeps me out.

It doesn't creep me out at all. I totally accept it as a normal male reaction to "hawt chicks".

My husband thinks these things all the time. It doesn't mean he's going to express them to me, because that would be impolite. It doesn't mean that he sees me as less of a person. I'm certain that I became more attractive to him after he got to know me. But that doesn't mean he didn't want to sleep with me the second he saw me either. It doesn't mean he would have done so, but his hind brain was definitely telling him to go for it.

The fact that men are biologically inclined to screw every woman they see only increases my respect for them. Because while some men act on these urges, most men don't. Most men do set aside their base urges and get to know women before sleeping with them. They have self-control the likes of which I'll never quite understand.

So what's wrong with a lustful comment here or there? I wish more women would let men talk about and admit their urges. Its healthy and cathartic.

[Seshat]

Seshat - yeah, it does creep out staff - but doesn't that depend on how it's done?

Yes. It can be done in a way which acknowledges the personhood of the other person: usually by means of an introduction-to-flirtation. I have no objection to an admiring look - even a lingering look - which ends at the eyes, where the look-er responds appropriately to the look-ee's signals.

However, a look can be also done in a way which indicates that the look-er doesn't care what the look-ee wants.

How many times have we had CS threads where the poster has complained that the customer stared at them and let them know the customer would be thinking of them while they were masturbating? And the poster has complained that they felt awful because of it, even violated.

Oh...'fap'? 'Schlick'???

Masturbate. It's a reference to the supposed sound.

So what's wrong with a lustful comment here or there? I wish more women would let men talk about and admit their urges. Its healthy and cathartic.

If men or women really get that turned on just from seeing a bit of skin or a rounded butt, that's completely beyond my experience. It's something as alien to me as being without physical pain is.

However, I do have an almost-instinctive reaction to being a target of sexual activity without having any choice in the matter, and that reaction is a revulsion so deeply seated in my psyche I haven't been able to find its source. It may even have a biological source, akin to the claim that 'men are hardwired to try to have sex with anything female'.

I can even make an argument for biological hardwiring of female revulsion at not having a choice in their mate. Many, if not most, female mammals and birds require their prospective mates to pass some sort of test before they permit the male to mate with them.


My 'ewww, creepy' reaction doesn't care whether the sexual activity I'm the target of actually involves me - if I think someone's planning to masturbate to me and give me no choice about it, the reaction triggers.
It's triggered worse the times I've been harassed or molested.
(Fortunately, I've never been raped. People who have, have my sympathy. I'm certain this reaction triggers at its fullest extent for that.)

[AFPheonix]

Of course we didn't let on to the waiter. Seriously, you should know at least from my posting that I have a bit more tact than that.

I also got the point, and frankly, I don't totally agree. I have never been molested, so that may explain the difference in my attitude and yours. I honestly don't have a problem with being able to recognize that someone is sexy.
I check out chicks with my husband. I show him porn I find hilarious. I had him watch 2 Girls 1 Cup just to see his reaction.

[ArenaBoy]

Just because one doesn't find the appeal of looking at someone (Given that they're legal age, which I'm going by) doesn't make it wrong nor does it imply that they want to sleep with the person they're staring at. I'll admit. I steal a glance or so at an attractive girl. Why? Because I'm a 20 year old male. And I proudly admit that. Want to know the shocking thing though? Most of my friends are girls. They know I'll steal a glance, I get made fun of for it too and I know that they steal glances too.

Again: I steal glances, but it doesn't mean, "Her, my bedroom, NOW!" It just usually means to me that she's cute.

They may need a chemical boost to make the hydraulic parts work right, or use celery as a splint, but the rest often still works.

*Chelsea fan* Celery, celery, if she don't come, I'll tickle her bum with a lump of celery! /Chelsea fan

Yes that's a Chelsea chant. And we are obsessed with celery.

[Seshat]

Of course we didn't let on to the waiter. Seriously, you should know at least from my posting that I have a bit more tact than that.

My error. I apologise.

I honestly don't have a problem with being able to recognize that someone is sexy.

Want to know the shocking thing though? Most of my friends are girls. They know I'll steal a glance, I get made fun of for it too and I know that they steal glances too.

I appear to be making my point very badly.

I know that people who are more visually oriented than I am - which seems to be most of the populace - find the human body aesthetic, and find certain members of the human species more aesthetically pleasing than others.

I don't have a problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is people who act as if they're going to masturbate to the memory (or picture) of someone else, regardless of how that someone else feels about it.

(Noting that women who pose for Playboy are either hopelessly naive, or are fine with men masturbating to their image.)

Looking is fine.
Looking and licking your lips in that skeezy 'I wanna eat you' way is not (unless you know the other person likes it).


Does that clarify?

[DarthRetard]

In my defense, for those of us who saw "I now Pronounce YOu Chuck and Larry", how was I supposed to act when I saw Jessica Biel practically naked? Should I have read a paper? It was meant to be sexually enticing, and humorous juxtaposition of a beautifully designed female next to a male pretending to be gay. I was still attracted though, it's in my genes, I can't help it, really.

Emma Watson's character wears these catholic schoolgirl type outfits sometimes, and I find the intelligent schoolgirl character archetype quite enticing, i really do. It's not just her looks.

I'm a Keira Knightley fan because she's clever and feisty, physically, there are more definitive women to choose from, but there are intangibles in each which make each woman more desirable.

I'm a firm believer, and I'm not just saying this, you all know I'm damn blunt, in the intangibles that make a girl/woman special and desirable.

When I see Emma Watson, I think Hermione Granger, and that gets the fantasy a-churning, so if you really analyze it, we're attracted to the character portrayal more, because we rarely see the real celebrity.

Sorry for being a perv. Don't know why it got interpreted that way, but I guess it's still not ok for guys to be open with that.

[anriana]

In my defense, for those of us who saw "I now Pronounce YOu Chuck and Larry", how was I supposed to act when I saw Jessica Biel practically naked? Should I have read a paper? It was meant to be sexually enticing, and humorous juxtaposition of a beautifully designed female next to a male pretending to be gay. I was still attracted though, it's in my genes, I can't help it, really.

Okay? This example is rather random, but if it was a scene intended to be sexually arousing, good for you for responding appropriately.

Emma Watson's character wears these catholic schoolgirl type outfits sometimes, and I find the intelligent schoolgirl character archetype quite enticing, i really do. It's not just her looks.

I like the schoolgirl fetish too. I talk about it on fetish boards, I talk about it at BDSM events, and I talk about it with people with friends who share my interests, because I know those are the people who want to hear about it.

When I see Emma Watson, I think Hermione Granger, and that gets the fantasy a-churning, so if you really analyze it, we're attracted to the character portrayal more, because we rarely see the real celebrity.

I'm not a HP fan, but there are several characters I am attracted to. I've written porn-without-plot in the Buffyverse, so I can definitely share this sentiment. I talk about how hot Willow is on boards and mailing lists dedicated to those discussions (and there are plenty) all the time.

Sorry for being a perv. Don't know why it got interpreted that way, but I guess it's still not ok for guys to be open with that.

Martyr complex much? And this paragraph is contradictory. First you're claiming you didn't intend anything perverted or sexual with this post, and then you're bewailing the fact that people aren't allowed to make sexual comments.



Some people have extremely sexist views. In the context of this thread, I don't care if you feel men are driven by unrepressable sexual urges or women are passionless creatures never sullied by such base emotions and thus incapable of understanding what it's like to be a poor, poor man repressed by our silly culture. I don't care if you feel the urge to make sexual comments or are attracted to beautiful people - I share these feelings. I don't care if you're attracted to be people under the age of consent. I don't care if you find Emma attractive. I don't care if you want to fantasize about her.

I made a negative comment on this thread because I feel there is a proper time/place to make these comments, and my limited perusal of Fratching did not indicate this as one. There are TONS of places on the internet devoted to sex. There are tons of places to talk about how much you want to fap to someone. There are tons of places to talk about how attracted to the character of Hermoine as played by Emma Thompson you are. There are tons of appropriate situations to make giggity giggity comments, especially as a young person which all of the people making the original comments apparently are.

There are lots of boards/communities I visit to talk about sex, there are lots of friends I talk to about celebrities, there are lots of friends I have very perverted, very base conversations about. I don't have a problem at all with people expressing sexual urges as some people are presuming. However, there is a difference between a ribald conversation - I remember a thread on CS a few days ago about something to do with pizza without sauce that turned rather sexual. Other than the heteronormativity of it, I found it very amusing - and a thread that consists of nothing more than "Yah, I want to fap to this chick." I just don't get why one would post that on a debate board that is not created for playing "Who's Hotter?"

[Boozy]

I just don't get why one would post that on a debate board that is not created for playing "Who's Hotter?"

Its not up to you to decided for what purpose this forum was created. That is the decision of our generous host.

There are several threads here that have never interested me. For example, I don't get why someone would feel strongly enough about their PS3 to vehemently defend it against an XBox, or why anyone would be asking them to, for that matter. So I don't spend a whole lot of time looking at those threads.

If you feel a subject is beneath debate, or isn't "debate-y" enough for you, don't bother posting in that thread. Its not necessary to chime in and say that you aren't interested in discussing these things.

This thread has actually turned into one of our most popular ones in the last week, and has touched on important subjects such as sexual objectification. You never know which way a thread will drift.

Sorry for being a perv. Don't know why it got interpreted that way, but I guess it's still not ok for guys to be open with that.

I am also detecting a touch of snark. If you don't want people to argue with your posts, you shouldn't post them on a forum known for its argumentative membership. We will turn virtually any subject into a debate here.

[anriana]

Its not up to you to decided for what purpose this forum was created. That is the decision of our generous host.

There are several threads here that have never interested me. For example, I don't get why someone would feel strongly enough about their PS3 to vehemently defend it against an XBox, or why anyone would be asking them to, for that matter. So I don't spend a whole lot of time looking at those threads.

If you feel a subject is beneath debate, or isn't "debate-y" enough for you, don't bother posting in that thread. Its not necessary to chime in and say that you aren't interested in discussing these things.

I have made several posts on this thread questioning why it was made and why the original people posted the thread/their comments here, and I feel that I have acknowledged several times that I am rather new here and not entirely familiar with the culture. I am really trying to understand the reasonings behind what I perceived to be an out-of-place comment. I am not making a definitive statement as to this board's nature, I am saying what my perception of the nature is and trying to understand an alternative perception. I have read the stickied descriptions of each forum and it is my perception that this board was created for debate and understanding other people's point of view - I am trying to understand why the OPs view this as the best place for discussions of this nature. I apologize if I made that unclear or conveyed a different meaning.

[DesignFox]

I think he put it here, anriana, because he thought it might turn into a debate, or some people might find his opinion offensive.

CS is not the place for questionable material. But here, there's a lot more leeway.

And, as it turns out, we have turned this into a debate!