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    Chris Cutler, a Quarterback for the Chicago bears was accused of being a quitter after leaving the game with a leg injury. Or, more accurately, leaving the game with a leg injury, coming back, then leaving and standing on the sidelines for the rest of his team's loss.

    A lot of people were criticizing him even before the game ended. Many players (mostly running backs or defensive players, if I recall correctly, but I have been mistaken) were saying that if he can stand up on the sideline, he should still be in the game. Once the diagnosis was released (Sprained MCL) people were not assuaged, saying you should play on a sprained MCL, or even a torn MCL.

    Cutler cried during a press conference when told about that, he said he left the game, and was told by sideline doctors he shouldn't return. He made a few throws, but left when he found he couldn't plant his feet right.

    A great deal has been made about the importance of toughness in the NFL. People have played on broken legs or with separated shoulders.

    Cutler left the game, and has been catching a lot of flack for 'quitting' in a big game, and that if he can stand on the sideline, he can stand in the pocket.

    Perhaps some other players would have told the doctors and coaches no, I'm going back out there. But Cutler didn't, which evidently means he's unworthy to play football.

    I don't like the criticism of him. If I played football, and a doctor said don't go back on the field, I wouldn't go back on the field. If I tried to go back on the field, and found that a vital part of my game (his ability to plant his foot) was fucked with, I would think that's a good reason to try to give the healthy back-up a try.

    One thing people forget (and I think this is an effect of Fantasy Football culture to focus on individual stats instead of the team, but I'm no judge) is that QBs have backups. I figure Cutler had an injury that he was able to play through. But I think he thought "yes, I could play through this, although the doctors have said it'd probably wreck my leg up. If I play through and win, there's a good chance I won't be able to play in the superbowl. If I give the other guy a chance, and he comes back, then I'll probably be healthy enough for the big game."

    He didn't quit. He just took himself out of the game when he thought that his playing would have hurt his team's chances. Or possibly, he thought it was to much of a danger to him personally. Either way, he didn't 'quit' on his team.

    Other players have played with broken legs. They deserve praise. Jay Cutler didn't. That doesn't mean he's not tough. He was hit 59 times this season before he left in that game, and he never went off the field. He also plays through diabetes, which despite how people mock it, is a disease that can cause serious difficulty.

    I think the fact that he cried at the press conference tells me he's no quitter. If he'd quit out of laziness or whatever, he'd be defending himself. His crying gave me the feeling that he had wanted to go back, but felt he couldn't, and was upset that people were upset with him for a decision he didn't want to make.





    But that's me. Debate-y types, start your engines. Is Jay Cutler a quitter? Is he too much of a wimp to play football? Should he have come back? Would you do your job with an equivalent debilitation? Let's say disorientation/101 fever, but its not contagious and you'll be able to perform your job, but poorly. It won't effect your continued employment if you take the day off, but its likely that your business will miss a major opportunity to increase revenue/prestige/job performance/whatever. You going has no guarantee you'll get that reward, but you'd have a chance at having a chance at getting a lot of money for being employee of the year.



    Trying to make the analogy work, if you think its flawed, I'll try to make it better, but I don't want to just say "Would you come back with a sprained MCL in the NFC championships" because that decision is too divorced from your real life. You can say you'd come back, but you've likelynever tried playing on a sprained MCL during a high-stakes sporting event.
    "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
    ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

  • #2
    Originally posted by Hyena Dandy View Post
    A great deal has been made about the importance of toughness in the NFL. People have played on broken legs or with separated shoulders.
    Pain is subjective, I can and have run and walked with a torn PCL, others can't even stand on a tear or sprain.

    I had assumed either the doctors told him he wasn't playing, or he didn't want to risk making the injury worse.

    I don't like the "play through the pain" attitude-heck didn't Favre end up addicted to vicodin because of that BS? Pain is your body's way of telling you something's wrong, you shouldn't ignore it, especially with any injury, I had maybe a 1st or second degree tear of my PCL, I took ibuprofen and ran/walked 6 miles-the next day it wouldn't support my weight and was swollen horribly-walking through the pain caused it to tear completely through. I have no PCL in my left knee because of that attitude.
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    • #3
      Well, honestly, the big screw up was on the coaches, who replaced Cutler's replacement with the 3rd guy at a certain point and then weren't able to sub back in the 2nd guy. Or something. I tried to watch the game but football confuzzles me.

      He shouldn't play on a serious injury, of course, but he *was* standing around on the sidelines not looking like he was in much pain. Honestly, I really don't think it would have made a difference. As I said, I don't know much about football, but Green Bay was playing circles around the Bears, and actually started doing better once Cutler was off the field.

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      • #4
        With the injury Cutler had, it might not have been so much a matter of "it hurts." It may have been a matter of his knee not bring able to hold up. Just because he's able to pedal on a stationary bike doesn't mean he'll be able to plant or pivot on that knee.

        Jay Cutler's a dink and there's plenty of reasons not to like him. This isn't one of them. I think the criticism is a lot of players from bad teams trying to make themselves look better, journalists wanting a juicy scoop for the news cycle and fans emotional because their team lost to an arch rival in probably the biggest game that has been and maybe ever will be played in the rivalry.

        As an aside--it sucks that this is all everybody wants to talk about, when the Packers are making a Super Bowl run that I couldn't imagine happening a month ago. Shit, three weeks ago I was listening to the last Packers game of the year, against the Bears, listening to them lose and thinking "I'm not going to be too upset if they miss the playoffs." And now I'm going to watch them play in the Super Bowl.

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        • #5
          They're just pissed that their team lost. I didn't get to see Cutler play--he was already out when I got home--but I did see his replacement. That was a freaking disaster! At least that guy got pulled, and the team at least got the score a bit closer

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          • #6
            It's more just people hate Jay Cutler. I don't particularly like him. In fact I think he kinda sucks as a starter.

            But people have hated players who have sat because of injuries forever. When I played football, I sprained a couple fingers in practice. I sprained them so bad that I couldn't catch a pass that involved making a basket with my hands (and it still hurt to catch the other way). So naturally I couldn't really do anything on offense. What good is a WR that can't catch? But I still caught heaps of shit for it.
            Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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            • #7
              I don't understand sports, but this sounds like typical macho bullshit.

              Yes, even though you'll probably be useless and risk hurting yourself even worse, get back in the game! Show them you're a man!

              Idiots.

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              • #8
                Cutler was sacked more times this year than any other quarterback in the entire league (57 total sacks). He never whined, complained, or quit through it all. Even when he got knocked out with a concussion earlier in the year.

                There are times I wonder if the team quit on him rather than him quitting on the team.
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                • #9
                  In the post-game press conferences, Cutler's teammates were defending his toughness. Of course they have to do that publicly, and their treatment of him over the next months will tell the real story, but I am taking them at their word that he wanted to play but the doctors said he couldn't.

                  The Bears didn't do him any favors by reporting him as questionable (50/50 chance of returning to the game) after halftime. If the medical staff says he can't play, he can't play. Tell that to the sideline reporter.

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                  • #10
                    In a shocking news addition, Cutler was seen WALKING UP STAIRS. This has made people even angrier. If he can climb stairs he can play sports!
                    "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
                    ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hyena Dandy View Post
                      If he can climb stairs he can play sports!
                      Awesome.

                      I just walked up a flight of stairs two minutes ago. I shall report to the Bears training camp post-haste.

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                      • #12
                        He was able to ride a stationary bike on the sideline so CLEARLY that meant he was plenty healthy.
                        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Boozy View Post
                          I just walked up a flight of stairs two minutes ago. I shall report to the Bears training camp post-haste.
                          You...and me too!

                          Oh wait, walking up steps is actually *painful* lately. It's doable, but annoyingly sluggish at times.

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                          • #14
                            I have the ability to run up stairs. I'd be a wide receiver if it weren't for these hands of stone of mine.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Boozy View Post
                              Awesome.

                              I just walked up a flight of stairs two minutes ago. I shall report to the Bears training camp post-haste.
                              Man, you should see how I walk up stairs. I'd be the best athlete ever.
                              "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
                              ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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