Why Edward?

[jackfaire]

Also, you're all arguing the biology of a word where vampires sparkle.

Sadly biologically speaking sparkling skin would make more sense than instantly bursting into flame and turning to ash at exposure to UV rays.

Although I think a lot of authors got it wrong I don't think it's that when getting staked or exposed to the sun that Vampires would burn instead rather I think it's more tied to their immortality as far as the old tales go and that they turn to dust not ash because once the spell keeping them undead is broken time catches up to them all at once like Dorian looking at a painting.

The older the are the more quickly this means dust. For a vampire still in their mortal life time it would just mean a dead body albeit one aged to the age they currently are so a 20 year old suddenly looking 60.

But hey that's my theory.

[Andara Bledin]

When people actually do burn (not quite that terribly) from exposure to UV, it's not that farfetched to think a supernatural being might do so but in a worse way.

The sparkling thing is just silly.

Especially when you consider that if vampires can go out in broad daylight with little more than looking silly (I mean, really, what the hell sort of hindrance is sparkling in sunlight? freaking pansies to be afraid of that since nobody but other vampires would know what that even was), why don't they rule the world already? Generally speaking, the whole 'can't go out in daylight' restriction is to balance all the perks of being a vampire so that they're not completely godmod. It's sloppy, sophomoric writing at best, and that's being generous.

And, for shits and giggles, I link you the TV Tropes page on the series.

^-.-^

[jackfaire]

When people actually do burn (not quite that terribly) from exposure to UV, it's not that farfetched to think a supernatural being might do so but in a worse way.
The sparkling thing is just silly.

It may not be that farfetched but my point was more I don't think it was burning they were going for in the old stories.

They don't rule the world for the same reason we wouldn't if cows built cities and could use technology and tended to kill things that tried to eat them. Unless you want to go extinct you can't really afford to outnumber your food source, cows are only one source of food for us.

That being said sparkling in sunlight would mark them as vampires if they ruled the world. Oh hey that guy is sparkling lets shove a branch into his chest. Lesson from history Slaves always revolt.

If they didn't try to rule the world but just didn't care that their skin sparkled. In the world of twilight all of the vampire myths would say that Vamps could be identified by sparkling skin.

Or all Vampires would have died out. If Sparkling skin is different that's bad and bad needs to be killed. We are a very xenophobic species.

Other vampire stories alter or lessen the weakness to sun without turning Vampires into Gods since you know they aren't.

In fact I have never read a single story where a Vamp was unbeatable except for that pesky sun.

As I was saying one such story solved it by saying that the sun weakened their natural powers like the ability to hypnotize at night worked fine during the day it was just like being charismatic.

And that allergy to wood was fucking serious a twig could cut deep.

One of my favorite Vamp movies was Daybreakers

[Gravekeeper]

And, for shits and giggles, I link you the TV Tropes page on the series.

Holy crap.

[Lace Neil Singer]

If you dare, you can also read the Encyclopedia Dramatica page on the series. Be warned tho; not really safe for work.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, I've read none of the books and only seen the first movie. Not all that impressed or motivated to see or read any more.

However, my first reaction to seeing her options and then her going all gaga over Edward was to turn to my husband and say "seriously?"

So I guess I'm on team Jacob.

He's pretty hot, but I refuse to dwell on HOW hot exactly because I refuse to be the dirty old lady thinking these things about Lava Boy.

[Evandril]

The guy can choose, the girl can't. In the case of Quil and Claire (think that's right; been a long time since I found that online book), Claire is just a child so has no choice in the matter. Basically, Claire will grow up with "Uncle Quil" til she reaches sexual maturity, then he will seduce her. It's kind of a creepy situation.

Leah is painted as a bitch cuz she happens to be mad that her boyf imprinted on her cousin. Um, I think Leah has every right to be mad in a situation like that. Also, it's hinted once or twice in the book that Leah has gone thru the menopause already as a result of becoming a werewolf, which is the sexist part. If imprinting is to further the species, it would logically make more sense for the girls to imprint, since technically speaking a pack of females with just a few males has a chance of more cubs being born than one of mostly males with just one or two females.

No, the guy has no choice in the matter...when he first finds the person he imprints with, he instantly falls totally in love with them, to the point where their happiness is all that's important to the guy. The person imprinted on has no change to how they are. The guy ends up being fairly close to a slave, actually.

Leah is painted as a bitch because her bf had *no* choice in the matter, and she's mad at him for something beyond his control. She's infertile because her body is 'frozen' at it's current state by being an active werewolf, which means no periods or the like. (That's my understanding, at least)

I found the books amusing brain candy, though I had to be stopped from burning my copy of the second one by the person who gave me the books to read

[Lace Neil Singer]

If Leah's infertile, then how come that doesn't effect all the werewolves? It only seems to affect the females, therefore it's a bit sexist.

Also, Edward should be infertile too, seeing as he's you know, technically dead.

[IDrinkaRum]

Technically, all vampires are dead. However, if you read the Anita Blake series by Laurell K. Hamilton and Dracula, My Love by Syrie James, they both have vampires impregnating human females. (It is hinted at that Dracula impregnates Mina Harker).

And then there's my various ideas about the vampire lore that I'm going to incorporate into my own series of vampire novels.

[Andara Bledin]

My own vampires can't procreate specifically because they are very much dead and I've always found the idea of them being dead and procreating without the help of a particularly potent spell or enchantment of some sort to be particularly silly. And this is a view I've held since I was about 9 and managed to keep throughout my teenage, hormone-driven Mary Sue period that some authors never seem to grow out of.

My shapeshifters can absolutely procreate with various degrees of success based on the pairing because, unlike vamps, they very much aren't dead.

Hell, I've been writing shitty urban horror fiction for the last 30 years. Maybe I should have submitted some of that crap to a publisher. Considering some of the stuff I've seen actually published, I could be famous by now.

^-.-^

[Gravekeeper]

So I guess I'm on team Jacob.

Also, Jacob's not a 106 year old corpse picking up underage high school girls. >.>

[jackfaire]

The Vampires that I respect that can procreate can do so usually because they are another species.

In my favorite the earliest vampires were part of the human race that had a genetic mutation allowing them to use magic and they used magic to alter themselves into Vampires.

The ones that did that could breed and have children that could have children but anyone that was turned in the traditional way was sterile.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Also, Jacob's not a 106 year old corpse picking up underage high school girls. >.>

Right?

I mean, I do not find Pattinson unattractive, really, he just doesn't really do it for me. Pattinson as Edward, however, is creepy and annoying.

And I find Bella drippy and annoying, so maybe they're perfect for each other, I dunno.

But Jacob? Oh, c'mon, look at him! He's sexy and charming and...well...the whole "not a fucking corpse" thing is a nice change.

And how about Edward's apparent willingness to be in High School for...I was gonna say "the rest of his life", but I guess it's even worse than that, isn't it? What's wrong with him that he hasn't lost his mind by now? If someone told me I'd be taking high school until the sun swallowed the earth, I'd never stop screaming.

[Gravekeeper]

And how about Edward's apparent willingness to be in High School for...I was gonna say "the rest of his life", but I guess it's even worse than that, isn't it? What's wrong with him that he hasn't lost his mind by now? If someone told me I'd be taking high school until the sun swallowed the earth, I'd never stop screaming.

No shit. If I ended up immortal my first thought wouldn't be staying in school for eternity. I'd make some investments, bid my time on them then just do whatever the frack I wanted while living off the interest. ;p

[Lace Neil Singer]

The Vampires that I respect that can procreate can do so usually because they are another species.

In my favorite the earliest vampires were part of the human race that had a genetic mutation allowing them to use magic and they used magic to alter themselves into Vampires.

The ones that did that could breed and have children that could have children but anyone that was turned in the traditional way was sterile.

Is that the Night World series? I read that series and loved it; especially the way they did vampires. The first vampire was Maya Hearth-woman who made herself into a vampire. She and her son, Red Fern, were the ancestors of the lamia, who as a separate race, could have children. However, any vampires who were human and made could not, cuz they were dead as humans.

I thought it a vastly superior series to Twishite due to the fact that the characters in NW were more rounded, and had flaws and faults, and were better described. For a teen supernatural series, it's very well written in fact.