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  • #76
    Originally posted by tropicsgoddess View Post
    Vampires are supposed to be seductive, sexy and dangerous not sparkling!!!!
    Vampires aren't supposed to be anything beyond words on paper. They're fiction. I dislike Twilight for different reasons*, but vampire mythology has been twisted since Bram Stoker wrote his first book. If Anne Rice can do it, so can Stephanie Meyer.

    * Books marketed to young teenage girls romanticizing a borderline abusive relationship makes the feminist in me all twitchy.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
      Vampires aren't supposed to be anything beyond words on paper. They're fiction. I dislike Twilight for different reasons*, but vampire mythology has been twisted since Bram Stoker wrote his first book. If Anne Rice can do it, so can Stephanie Meyer.
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      Do you mean before? He didn't invent Vampires and even he twisted it into something different than earlier myths.

      Personally the way I see it Vampires will be interpreted and reinterpreted by different people and I think we all have our favorite forms of vampires and then kinds we don't like.

      Each author is creating a different time line where vampires are different than in another timeline. It's no different than one author saying magic works or a different one creating a technology impossible in our world.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
        Vampires aren't supposed to be anything beyond words on paper. They're fiction. I dislike Twilight for different reasons*, but vampire mythology has been twisted since Bram Stoker wrote his first book. If Anne Rice can do it, so can Stephanie Meyer.
        The idea of a vampire dates back so far its not even funny, because people are both scared and imaginative. Vampires were very real to the people who feared them way back then. They weren't fiction at all. Originally though, vampires were basically little more than blood drinking zombies. The whole suave, sexy vampire thing came from a novel in like 1812. Way way before Bram Stoker. Though he definately had a huge impact as well.

        Still, the problem with Meyer is she did a complete and total 180 on what we culturally picture a vampire to be. Its not that she had a different take, she basically had a total antithesis as to what a vampire is in popular culture. A ridiculously stupid antithesis that sounds like you asked a 6 year old girl what a vampire is and she confused it with a fairy princess.

        Its like if you made a werewolf movie where the werewolf was really a misunderstood underwear model that didn't turn into a wolf at all, he just grew a tail and meowed like a cat.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
          * Books marketed to young teenage girls romanticizing a borderline abusive relationship makes the feminist in me all twitchy.
          Only borderline?
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          • #80
            I don't much like vampire stories either. They tend to be extremely played, overdone, and just....blah. I watched Twilight for one reason and one reason only: it's a huge pop culture phenom and I wanted to see what it was about. I didn't expect much and I wasn't disappointed. I didn't expect much because I don't like vampires, not because I think I'm so much better than everyone else. People I respect very much all said the same thing: "I know it's shit, but I can't stop reading it!" Including my sister who has a degree in southern lit. So I wanted to know what it was all about. I watched the first movie.

            Like I said, I wasn't disappointed. And I'm not going to sit here and say I was sorry I watched it. I enjoyed it well enough. The baseball game was my favorite part, that was cute.

            Now, I DO like True Blood a lot. There's things I don't like about it, but overall, I do love the show. The reason I like that over Twilight (and I guess the reason I can forgive it for being about vampires) is because if you took the vampire element out and just made it about the characters, it would STILL be a great show. Thank God this writer found a way to make this tired old genre fresh and creative.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by RecoveringKinkoid View Post
              The reason I like that over Twilight (and I guess the reason I can forgive it for being about vampires) is because if you took the vampire element out and just made it about the characters, it would STILL be a great show. Thank God this writer found a way to make this tired old genre fresh and creative.
              All stories should be about the characters. The settings and conditions should be mostly window dressing and/or conflict-fodder. Charlaine Harris does a great job with hers, and I found her Southern Vampire series to be quite refreshing.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                Vampires aren't supposed to be anything beyond words on paper. They're fiction. I dislike Twilight for different reasons*, but vampire mythology has been twisted since Bram Stoker wrote his first book. If Anne Rice can do it, so can Stephanie Meyer.

                * Books marketed to young teenage girls romanticizing a borderline abusive relationship makes the feminist in me all twitchy.
                I know that it's a myth but I just personally think that Stephanie Meyer makes vampire look like sissies with that sparkling crap.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by RecoveringKinkoid View Post
                  The reason I like that over Twilight (and I guess the reason I can forgive it for being about vampires) is because if you took the vampire element out and just made it about the characters, it would STILL be a great show. Thank God this writer found a way to make this tired old genre fresh and creative.
                  Twilight is the reverse, its a stupid, mind numbing "romance" story that just has vampires and werewolves tacked on.

                  ....wait....wait a second. Shallow, ridiculous characters, a laughable "romance", straight up raging emo from all the teenage leads and a story that drags on pointlessly from scene to scene?

                  Twilight is the plot to a Final Fantasy game. Oh God.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                    Twilight is the plot to a Final Fantasy game. Oh God.
                    http://www.mascotcomic.com/index.php?strip_id=1076

                    'Nuff said
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                    • #85
                      I thought this would be apropos for this topic...FYI I didn't make this...I suck at drawing...

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                      • #86
                        tropicsgoddess - I recognize both Dracula (I'm assuming anyway) and Lestat. But ... who are the others?

                        Also, I love the stick figures of Edward and Bella.

                        I also have got to either 1. stop reading the twilight series to Child Rum at bed time, or 2. after reading her to sleep, I grab a book and read for 10 minutes afterwards. Last night, I had a dream (nightmare?) about a 7-year-old Bella & a 7-year-old (vampire) Edward.
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                        • #87
                          Well, I'm not sure on #1, but think I should know him... Blood+ perhaps? 2 & 3 you got. 4 is from Castlevania. I'd think #5 was from Trinity Blood, but he doesn't have glasses, so that's probably not right. #6 I have no idea, tho the boyfriend thought he was from Castlevania.

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                          • #88
                            The one saying "Damned Freak!" is Alucard, who appears a lot in anti Twilight art. XD He's from an anime called "Hellsing".

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                            • #89
                              Gah... teach me to post while in the middle of something else. #6 is Lestat, not #3. 'Cause #3 is most decidedly Alucard (as mentioned), who is one bad ass vamp if ever there was one.

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                              • #90
                                Okay, let's label the vamps above Sparkling Dick Edward as Numbers 1-6 from left to right. So the laughing on the floor as Vampire #1.

                                So:

                                1. I have no clue
                                2. (Bram Stoker's) Dracula
                                3. Alucard?
                                4. Anne Rice vampire?
                                5. Louis?
                                6. Lestat?

                                Okies ... and my brain is still broken.

                                At least I have been reading a series called the Mageverse (it's a Paranormal Romance series) where vampires are actually wizards who have to drink the blood of witches (so the witches' blood doesn't get too overheated with the magic flowing through them). The vampires are long lived (along with the witches), and though they drink blood, they are not corpses. They can marry (though not mortals) and they can procreate as often as they want to through their long life spans. The original Mageverse vampires/witches are the Knights of the Round Table, King Arthur and the women of the Arthurian legend (Guinevere and Morgana Le Fay). Through the descendants of these originals, there are latents that have the ability to become vampires and/or witches but they have to have sex with someone who is of the Mageverse and after the third time, the latents tap into their power and become long lived.
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