can someone recommend a rapefree nonkids fantasy book series.

[Kheldarson]

It's not explicit, but it's certainly somewhat debatable about F'nor and Brekke's first time, before Wirenth's flight.

(Please don't spoil the next major event in case the OP picks Pern anyway...)

F'nor and Brekke? She wanted to be with him but didn't want to end up sleeping with him and then end up sleeping with someone else when Wirenth flew. But F'nor and Canth both assured her that Canth could fly Wirenth since Canth was about the size of a bronze anyway.

Now, F'lar and Lessa's first time...and anytime after that that didn't have dragon's involved....

[s_stabeler]

Now, F'lar and Lessa's first time...and anytime after that that didn't have dragon's involved....

actually, what F'lar did wasn't legally rape at the time the books were written. Lessa was already his Weyrmate, which is oftne compared to a marriage. in 1968, when Dragonflight was wirtten, marital rape was legal. It would be made illegal shortly after ( in at least one US state- itwas 1993 before it became illegal across the US, and is still legal in some countries. in the UK, it was made illegal in 1991.), but bear in mind that it wasn't illegal at the time.

and it wasn't anytime after- by The White Dragon, Lessa is definitely with F'lar of her own free will.

[Kheldarson]

actually, what F'lar did wasn't legally rape at the time the books were written. Lessa was already his Weyrmate, which is oftne compared to a marriage. in 1968, when Dragonflight was wirtten, marital rape was legal. It would be made illegal shortly after ( in at least one US state- itwas 1993 before it became illegal across the US, and is still legal in some countries. in the UK, it was made illegal in 1991.), but bear in mind that it wasn't illegal at the time.

and it wasn't anytime after- by The White Dragon, Lessa is definitely with F'lar of her own free will.

We're going to go into the legalities of rape or not? Wish I could find the box with the books in them easily, I'm pretty sure F'lar himself compared sleeping with her in Dragonflight when dragons weren't involved as rape...or at least like sleeping with a statue.

Basically, Lessa was unwilling, but we're not going to count it because of legal laws of the time, but Brekke was willing but hesitant and you're going to call that one rape?

[s_stabeler]

You missed my point completely. I said NOTHING about F'nor and Brekke- what I was trying to point out was that it's probably unfair to judge all the Pern books on that one scene ( Meaning F'lar and Lessa), especially when it was not rape at the time.

[Kheldarson]

Sorry, got posts confused. Happens when I'm using the phone app

But whether it was legal or not at the time, the book itself obviously didn't think it was okay. So there's that.

[s_stabeler]

Oh, I quite agree. ( though the passage in the book isn't 100% clear Lessa was unwilling as such- my personal interpretation of the passage in question was that Lessa was basically lying back, not really participating, as opposed to being actually unwilling.)

[Kheldarson]

Oh, I quite agree. ( though the passage in the book isn't 100% clear Lessa was unwilling as such- my personal interpretation of the passage in question was that Lessa was basically lying back, not really participating, as opposed to being actually unwilling.)

Grant you that. I suppose it's one of those times where you can interpret either way (I prefer a non-rape version, like you're pointing out, but I'll admit you can read it differently).

Although it is one of those areas of her books I want to write fanfic for. McCaffrey's not really specific on how F'lar goes about winning her favor; it just kind of happens eventually.

[Pixilated]

I would definitely recommend giving the Discworld books a second try. I bought two or three at once, and tried to read The Fifth Elephant first -- it seemed to me to require a lot of knowledge of characters who'd been introduced in other books and I pretty much gave up. The other one I'd bought was The Truth -- and to somebody who was still in the newspaper business at the time, that book was priceless. A vampire news photographer (hint: photographers use flash a lot ...), a well-meaning young man whose chatty "newsletters" to the upper class slowly morph into Discworld's first newspaper, and ... OMG ... some guy who keeps wanting photos taken of his oddly shaped vegetables ... (anybody who's worked on a community newspaper has encountered that last guy!) That made me a permanent Pratchett fan.

gremcint, you mentioned fantasy, but are you willing to try science fiction? Because if so, I'd highly recommend some of the classics: Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke, Heinlein .... In the vast majority of these books, if there's any sex at all, it's offscreen.

[Lyse]

I second the idea of retrying some if the Discworld series. I am a huge Pratchett fan and even I have to admit that the first handful of books published were not his best. I'll reread them, but not nearly as much as his later work.

[crashhelmet]

The only experience I have with the Discworld series is the game for the PlayStation One

[XCashier]

I was thoroughly meh with the first 3 disc world books, didn't help that I was the 3rd in the house to read them after my father then brother, so they would talk about some funny bit and I would get to that and go "oh that would have been funny ..."

Discworld does get better as the series goes on. I think it took Terry Pratchett a little trial and error to figure out which direction to take some of his characters (Death, for instance, changes greatly from the first book to later in the series). My personal favorite so far is Wyrd Sisters, though I also liked Mort, Guards! Guards!, Witches Abroad, Interesting Times and Hogfather.

[Andara Bledin]

I'm a huge fan of particularly those books dealing with the guards. But some of the most recent books are really the cream of the crop, and they are much, much better when you know more about the characters than just what is presented in them, though each can be taken individually.

[Ginger Tea]

I think I've read all books up to and maybe a bit beyond the 5th elephant, I did enjoy them more and did see an improvement in the writing, but that wasn't the flaw.
The flaw was having all the jokes told to you, or at least be commented on by my Father and Brother, it's kinda like asking if you have gotten to the part where "X" dies.

OK maybe not as extreme, but the jokes were spoilt during the first 3 and for a book touted as being funny, knowing the punch line to a joke can make the delivery stale, it's different re reading a joke in a book for the 2nd time than getting to the same joke having been told the punch line prior.

I don't recall much back story given to Ridcully (sp) or any of the Wizards, so although they are 'established' they could come across that way on their first ever page, the only one with a back story I remember is the Librarian.

With Granny Weatherwax and the rest of her Coven, perhaps start at the beginning to get more of a feel for her character, but it's been a while, it could be a case of getting the character fine and dandy on her 3rd book.
The same maybe for the Guards of Nightwatch, or at least just to get Carrots origin in case it's discussed off the cuff in later books.

[Nekojin]

Carrot's origin is "hinted broadly" at in at least a half-dozen of the books, although the truth is unknown. Just a lot of suspicious coincidences that everyone believes to be true.

[Kheldarson]

I love Moist von Lipwick's books in the series, Going Postal and Making Money. I'm hoping the latest book will be one of his...I mean, Discworld's getting a train. Why wouldn't Moist be involved?

After that I love the Death books. Although I don't quite get the whole of Soul Music, but that's more because I don't quite know everything he's referencing. But that's okay.