All Religions Are Right?

[Flyndaran]

Internally consistant doesn't mean makes sense.
It's the same as saying, "A wizard did it." when faced with complex problems.
Religion seems to me a failure of thought eventhough some very smart people try to make it make sense.
Either way, whatever that is in most humans that allow religion is simply not in me. I consider it a benefitial trait, you may consider it a form of brain damage.

[muses_nightmare]

In my personal beliefs all gods stem from the same source. It doesn't matter how you worship, or even if you worship, but how you act. It's about balance. There are so many similarities between religions in the world, even if on the surface they seem very different from eachother, look closer and usually there are some basic moral lessons being taught in all (or the majority of non-cult) religions.

So essentially even though I call my gods different names, and I call the divine power a different name, I'm worshipping all gods.

[BroomJockey]

each person is going to their own believed end.

Otherwise there's go be a bunch of dissapointed dead people.

Not really. Ya see, they'll be dead, and thus not feeling much of anything.

[Flyndaran]

Not really. Ya see, they'll be dead, and thus not feeling much of anything.

Or as I say, "As an atheist I must do all my bragging now."

[BroomJockey]

Or as I say, "As an atheist I must do all my bragging now."

Also known as "I better live longer than you, I've got some things I'd like to say."

[PepperElf]

Granted, saying such a thing can certainly help you avoid some clashes with people who following different religious paths than you do. However, where is the logic in it?

personally i think the only logic in that is trying to not get attacked by others if you believe your own religion is the one true way.

but in my opinion... if someone does follow a religion, he or she SHOULD feel that way about it. If you don't feel your religion is the truth... then what do you really believe in?

the problem is, in my opinion, that others get offended when someone else believes that strongly in their own religion. and ... it's not their place to be offended. they shouldn't be telling someone else to not believe that strongly. they haven't the right to dictate what others should or shouldn't believe in, nor how strong that belief should be.

the correct response in my opinion is to accept that others will feel that strongly about their own religions and to not get upset or offended about it.

[Flyndaran]

There's believe 99.9999% and believe 100%.
I think the real problem with people isn't what they believe but how fervently they believe it.

[BroomJockey]

the problem is, in my opinion, that others get offended when someone else believes that strongly in their own religion. and ... it's not their place to be offended. they shouldn't be telling someone else to not believe that strongly. they haven't the right to dictate what others should or shouldn't believe in, nor how strong that belief should be.

On the flip side, why is it these strong believers are the ones constantly telling me I'm wrong for believing what I do? They can believe strongly all they like. But when they start preaching to me/condemning me, I just want them to stfu.

[guywithashovel]

I think that many people who say this are really just saying, "Let's agree to disagree." Though maybe some people believe that whatever you believe can be true for you, and whatever someone else believes can be true for them.

On the flip side, why is it these strong believers are the ones constantly telling me I'm wrong for believing what I do? They can believe strongly all they like. But when they start preaching to me/condemning me, I just want them to stfu.

It's because they think your soul needs to be saved. Plus, they want to get credit for saving your soul. Most of the people who witness to others see things that way.

[Flyndaran]

On the flip side, why is it these strong believers are the ones constantly telling me I'm wrong for believing what I do? They can believe strongly all they like. But when they start preaching to me/condemning me, I just want them to stfu.

Is that a serious question? Because isn't it kind of obvious that some beliefs must be fought for regardless of the oposition?
The only argument is which ones.
Pro-choice, civil rights for everyone, etc. are ones I believe should be fought for. You must have some of your own.

[BroomJockey]

Is that a serious question?

Yes, but did you actually look at the part I quoted? PepperElf said we don't get to tell other people how strongly to believe. So if I can't tell other people what to believe and how strongly they get to believe it, neither do they. It's one or the other. They don't get to do anything I dont' get to do.

[Flyndaran]

There's a big difference between believing Jim Crow laws should be struck down and wanting to stone gays.
There are simply many beliefs that should be struck down and never allowed to be promoted.

[BroomJockey]

There's a big difference between believing Jim Crow laws should be struck down and wanting to stone gays.
There are simply many beliefs that should be struck down and never allowed to be promoted.

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Uh...

Maybe I'm stupid, but I cannot relate that in any way, shape, or form to what I said, as I'm assuming that was a response to my response.

I'm asking why they get to talk up their beliefs, since being strong in their beliefs usually requires disseminating those beliefs, but I don't get to talk up mine, which involves them not talking to me about their beliefs. PepperElf said we can't tell them how strongly to believe. That's fine, until their belief encompasses telling me what I should believe. Then my belief in being free from being pestered about others' beliefs comes in to play. But those are mutually exclusive. Thus, why does their right to believe get to infringe on my right to not be preached to? And since this is a thread entitled "All religions are right," Jim Crow laws don't really apply, unless you've got some real twisted logic going on. But really, this can apply across all beliefs. You can believe that cars should be banned, and you can keep on believing that. In fact, you can take the fight to those whose job it is to listen to the public, such as politicians. But I'm not a politician. I'm a private citizen. I don't care what you believe, as long as you're staying within the Rule of Law. Make your beliefs available, and if I feel the same way, I'll seek YOU out. But until I do that, don't bother me.

Non Sequiturs aren't cool dude, not at all.

[Pagan]

I can see the "all religions are right". Especially, as others have pointed out, they all boil down to, "Be excellent to each other." Hell, even Jerry Springer got it. His sign off was, "Let's take care of ourselves....and each other."

This is where people hanging on to dogma and forgetting the original message wind up causing problems.

I firmly believe that if Jesus came back, he would be so disappointed. I really don't think this is what he meant.

No. God doesn't get to make a round square.

Maybe not, but Willy Wonka can make square candies that look round!

[protege]

I firmly believe that if Jesus came back, he would be so disappointed. I really don't think this is what he meant.

Disappointed? No, I think he'd be rather pissed off! Pissed off, in that his teachings have been twisted over the past 2,000 or so years.