Any other born atheists out there?

[telecom_goddess]

I don't fit the mold for most atheists. I did not come to it after years of education and "soul" searching. I was born this way and can't be anything else.
I feel like a tiny minority inside a minority.

Anybody else like this or am I really a minority of one?

ME!!! I have always been an atheist and will never be anything else.

[Nyoibo]

Of course reality can be explained. Why do you think it can't. We don't know everything. Atoms can so be measured, so can sarcomeres, and what most of the brain does. I think you should research more before making claims.
What is truly unexplainable? Not just unexplained now, but truly violates some rule of evidence you seem to believe in?

I think you should read my post before making claims, I said in years before these things couldn't be measured, they didn't even know they existed, that didn't mean they didn't exist, now, say in 50 years time, when technology is way ahead of where it is now they actually can measure something that turns out to be a soul, then what, it suddenly exists because it can be measured, or it always existed?

There is evidence for the whacky world of quantum space. There is none for souls, magic, etc. There is evidence against such.

Once upon a time there was evidence that the world was flat, the greatest minds of the time taught as such, didn't make it real.

[Flyndaran]

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Once upon a time there was evidence that the world was flat, the greatest minds of the time taught as such, didn't make it real.

Bullsnot. No sensible person ever believed that the earth was round for thousands of years.
I'm getting tired of this. I think we've hit a dead end. You will continue to believe in magic no matter what I say. I will continue to disbelieve magic.
There's no point in continuing to run around this topic.

Besides this is all off topic for my initial question.

[Slytovhand]

Staying on topic, and keeping this line of enquiry going....

I see no need to distinguish between sciences and religion... they have their ends of the same spectrum. What's 'magic' today, will be 'science' tomorrow. (although, the question of 'god' will remain open until the end of time). So, I'm presuming this thread isn't merely about the existence of deity, but also 'supernatural'.

Flyn, Nyoibo said 'once upon a time'.. he didn't indicate what time that was, so his statement stands correct.

Flyn, what's your definition of 'magic'? Cos, I think that's a large part of the argument...because, if you say 'anything that purports to operate outside the laws of physics', then you'll probably be surprised with a few people here agreeing with you... we just don't think we've worked out all the 'laws' yet... simple!

[Nyoibo]

You will continue to believe in magic no matter what I say. I will continue to disbelieve magic.

Never said I believed in it.

[Kalli]

This is interesting. As far as I was concerned, it's the norm to be born atheist, and less common (but not entirely unusual) to be born into a religious belief.

Maybe in Australia (or just the area I grew up?) it's the norm to be raise atheist. Only about 30% of the people I know are religious, and only about 10% of THOSE people actively practice their religion.

I must confess, (and I realise this is a character flaw of mine), as soon as I find out someone I know is religious, my respect for them just drops to the floor, and I can't really bring myself to pay them much heed after that. I suddenly think they're stupid. lol.

[Flyndaran]

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Flyn, Nyoibo said 'once upon a time'.. he didn't indicate what time that was, so his statement stands correct.!

Then that means he was threadcrapping with a non sequitor. We were talking about logic and science, not what all of freakin' human history.

...Flyn, what's your definition of 'magic'? Cos, I think that's a large part of the argument...because, if you say 'anything that purports to operate outside the laws of physics', then you'll probably be surprised with a few people here agreeing with you... we just don't think we've worked out all the 'laws' yet... simple!

We have located every force/superforce that exists outside of a black hole. Magic requires the use of forces that don't exist to science. Not just that which isn't known, but that which ignores and violates everything the study of physics have learned.

[Flyndaran]

This is interesting. As far as I was concerned, it's the norm to be born atheist, and less common (but not entirely unusual) to be born into a religious belief.

Maybe in Australia (or just the area I grew up?) it's the norm to be raise atheist. Only about 30% of the people I know are religious, and only about 10% of THOSE people actively practice their religion.
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I care just as much as what they profess to believe as what they actually practice. When faced with adversity, it's frightening how many non-religious or even atheists will suddenly "find god".
It's human nature, and have yet to meet many atheists that can't flip that switch.

[Kalli]

It's human nature, and have yet to meet many atheists that can't flip that switch.

I couldn't. I also know quite a number of people who couldn't either.

Also, switch those 2 percentages around, I meant 10% of the people I know are religious and 30% of those practice. Not that it matters much.

[Nyoibo]

Then that means he was threadcrapping with a non sequitor. We were talking about logic and science, not what all of freakin' human history.



We have located every force/superforce that exists outside of a black hole. Magic requires the use of forces that don't exist to science. Not just that which isn't known, but that which ignores and violates everything the study of physics have learned.

So what you're saying is that we're at the pinacle of scientific study and evolution.

And before you say no it isn't, yes it is, you just said we've found every force that exists outside of a black hole, therefore theres nothing left and that logic and science of today cannot be surpassed.

[Slytovhand]

I care just as much as what they profess to believe as what they actually practice. When faced with adversity, it's frightening how many non-religious or even atheists will suddenly "find god".
It's human nature, and have yet to meet many atheists that can't flip that switch.

Which reminds me of something my ex-Tai Qi instructor used to say: "Show me a pacifist, and I'll show you a liar. Try to push them in front of a train, and see how they react".

[Flyndaran]

I couldn't. I also know quite a number of people who couldn't either.
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Where do you live? I may not be a social butterfly, but I have trouble imagining that many such atheists here in oregon.

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And before you say no it isn't, yes it is, you just said we've found every force that exists outside of a black hole, therefore theres nothing left and that logic and science of today cannot be surpassed.

Every fundamental force, yes, but not every aspect of how they interact, not every object utilizing them, not every quirky work-around, etc. I think it's obvious that you are misrepresenting my position.

Which reminds me of something my ex-Tai Qi instructor used to say: "Show me a pacifist, and I'll show you a liar. Try to push them in front of a train, and see how they react".

I don't like absolute when discussing humanity as a whole.
But absolute non-violent people are a very very small minority.

[Kalli]

Where do you live? I may not be a social butterfly, but I have trouble imagining that many such atheists here in oregon.

Australia. I mentioned that in the post you quoted. In fact, it was kind of the basis of my whole post; that being born atheist is very much the norm over here.

[Red_Dazes]

I was born into a strong Christian family... and it drove me away from religion. I've spent the last many years researching and studying religion in general, anything I can get my hands on about nearly every religion I can find. At the same time I have studied science, and Logic. from this I have formed my own systems of beliefs, I'll not bother you with them because they are my own, but I think that people should be allowed to believe what ever they chose. I have no religion, but I don't consider myself and atheist even though most people do.

But I have known so many people who were born and raised Atheists, their entire families are atheists. So you are not alone Flyn *pat pat*

[Flyndaran]

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But I have known so many people who were born and raised Atheists, their entire families are atheists. So you are not alone Flyn *pat pat*

What? WHAT?! Oh you don't know that my name is actually Pat. I so made my parents regret that choice.