Question for Muslims

[protege]

You are joking right?
Christian groups have also formed militias (or, as they would be known had they been any other religion, terror cells).

Maybe...but Christians don't go around and fly airplanes into buildings, or set off carbombs because someone supports Israel... Seriously though, of the Muslims I've met of the years, the vast *majority* have been peaceful people. They are outraged at the fundies who use their religion to justify that shit.

What annoys me, is that I've seen the cartoons that show up in Islamic newspapers about other religions. They print that crap, which usually shows everyone else in a bad light, yet can't handle it when their own group gets the same treatment. Look at all the death threats sent to Denmark over a cartoon in recent years. Oh, and is Salmon Rushdie still in hiding because of the fatwa against him?

[Fryk]

They are against any portrayal of any religious figure. Cause you are not suppose to honor pictures.. sorta like how the 10 commandments say thou shall not have graven images.. *pardon my butchering* Does that make sense

Well, YOU make sense. But the thing is, according to the spirit of the law, you aren't supposed to make images that could be turned into idols. You're not supposed to honor them. So, what was so "honoring" in the Dutch newspaper pictures? Or most of the ones done on Draw Muhammad Day?

Are people really going to worship Pedobear in a turban as the prophet?

[Red Panda]

So why are there depictions of Mohammed in medieval manuscripts and in mosques, including the Dome of the Rock?

There is an exception for education and I think in most of those pictures his face still isn't shown.

Maybe...but Christians don't go around and fly airplanes into buildings, or set off carbombs because someone supports Israel... Seriously though, of the Muslims I've met of the years, the vast *majority* have been peaceful people. They are outraged at the fundies who use their religion to justify that shit.

Christians aren't terrorists? O rly

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/TheLaw/mich...ry?id=10228716

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

[Hobbs]

There is an exception for education and I think in most of those pictures his face still isn't shown.



Christians aren't terrorists? O rly

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/TheLaw/mich...ry?id=10228716

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Those examples are more the exception than the norm; and I've seen the depictions in history specials, face and all.

[smileyeagle1021]

Those examples are more the exception than the norm; and I've seen the depictions in history specials, face and all.

And muslims flying planes into buildings is the norm?
If we are going to judge Islam on the actions of a few radicals who fly planes into buildings and set off car bombs, then it is only fair we judge Christianity by the same standard.

[joe hx]

So why are there depictions of Mohammed in medieval manuscripts and in mosques, including the Dome of the Rock?

it's not all Muslims that find depicting Muhammad taboo. just a few

[protege]

Unfortunately though, when people think of "terrorists," they think of Islamic radicals. That idea isn't helped by how 'terrorists' are depicted in many movies either. Further hurting their image, was 9/11, and the *first* WTC bombing.

[Hobbs]

Unfortunately though, when people think of "terrorists," they think of Islamic radicals. That idea isn't helped by how 'terrorists' are depicted in many movies either. Further hurting their image, was 9/11, and the *first* WTC bombing.

Well, considering they are the enemy, I don't see what's wrong in depicting them in movies. Actually, in the Sum of al Fears the terrorists in the novel were Islamic radicals. It was changed to neo-Nazi's to placate to Islamic sentiments.

[Fryk]

So, muslims AND christians can both be torrorists. But eh Muslims ones are better at it?

[Hobbs]

Better? Remember a little something called the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Huh...idk why I'm saying it as if I'm proud of it...

[Fryk]

I wouldn't call the Crusades terrorism per se. Just an all-out unjustified war.

Now the Inquisition on the other hand... THAT was some good terrorism!

[BlaqueKatt]

But when someone makes fun of Muslims we have some groups (again, not all Muslims) calling for deaths, kill the writers, blow up the station, kill the producers, kill the stars, and no one better laugh at it or else they'll be hunted down and killed.

Islam is the youngest of the 3 Abrahamic religions(Judaism, Christianity, Islam)-it's still going through it's "growing pains" so to speak. Judiaism and Christianity already went through the phase Islam is currently in.

basicly it's the "new kid on the block"

For example:
new kid starts new school, wants to be accepted, gets picked on fights back is eventually accepted. The next year when another new student joins he gets picked on, fights back and the previous years new kid thinks "whoa-he's overreacting", when he did the exact same thing the previous year.


if you want a more in depth answer than the quick one I just gave-read the book "god is not GREAT, how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens

[Hobbs]

Islam is the youngest of the 3 Abrahamic religions(Judaism, Christianity, Islam)-it's still going through it's "growing pains" so to speak. Judiaism and Christianity already went through the phase Islam is currently in.

basicly it's the "new kid on the block"

For example:
new kid starts new school, wants to be accepted, gets picked on fights back is eventually accepted. The next year when another new student joins he gets picked on, fights back and the previous years new kid thinks "whoa-he's overreacting", when he did the exact same thing the previous year.


if you want a more in depth answer than the quick one I just gave-read the book "god is not GREAT, how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens

Wait...so they kill innocent people because of growing pains? Sorry, that apology won't slide with me.

As for your little book, this review by the Washington Postwas on the site:

Hitchens claims that some of his best friends are believers. If so, he doesn't know much about his best friends. He writes about religious people the way northern racists used to talk about "Negroes" -- with feigned knowing and a sneer. God Is Not Great assumes a childish definition of religion and then criticizes religious people for believing such foolery. But it is Hitchens who is the naïf. To read this oddly innocent book as gospel is to believe that ordinary Catholics are proud of the Inquisition, that ordinary Hindus view masturbation as an offense against Krishna, and that ordinary Jews cheer when a renegade Orthodox rebbe sucks the blood off a freshly circumcised penis. It is to believe that faith is always blind and rituals always empty -- that there is no difference between taking communion and drinking the Kool-Aid (a beverage Hitchens feels compelled to mention no fewer than three times).

[BlaqueKatt]

Wait...so they kill innocent people because of growing pains? Sorry, that apology won't slide with me.

A documented case in the Silesian town of Neisse reveals a huge oven was constructed, which over a ten year period, more than a thousand "condemned witches, some as young as two years old" were roasted alive. Many victims were also extremely old, some in their 80's. This made no difference to the church.

wow and the Christian church didn't murder Heretics? The spanish inquisition and crusades never happened?

What's the apology for those innocent people murdered?
Ignorance, or oh that's in the past....

the Rawandan Genocides
Kosovo
Uganda(the Lord's resistance Army was responsible for that mess)
Bosnia
Serbia
Croatia

these were Christians attacking non-Christians or different factions of Christianity-see also protestant v catholic in Ireland
yup same thing-you see history has a tendency to repeat itself.

the Christian church started murdering heretics in the 4th century C.E. so roughly 400 years or so after the religion started-the inquisition was in the 1600's so 1,600 years after-Islam has been around for about 1300 years

here's a handy chart of reference between the three

As for your little book, this review by the Washington Postwas on the site:

that was the ONLY negative out of the 8 posted-love how you pick out the one that equates him to a racist ..good work..have you read the book or just going on ONE BIASED reviewer's opinion-and he is very, very, biased the writer of that review , one Stephen Prothero-is a professor of religion at boston university, Prothero has argued for mandatory public school Bible literacy courses -hmmm seems more than a bit biased now doesn't it? Or did you not bother to look at the credentials/credibility of the review writer....

which would be the equivalent of posting a review written by Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck for an Al Franken or Barrak Obama book....

[Hobbs]

wow and the Christian church didn't murder Heretics? The spanish inquisition and crusades never happened?

What's the apology for those innocent people murdered?
Ignorance, or oh that's in the past....

The Church actually issued an official apology and etc-etc (don't know the official word for it) concerning the Inquisition. Also, please note that the Spanish Inquisition was more of a political system than a religious one.

I don't read heresy.