Question for Muslims

[BlaqueKatt]

I don't read heresy.

"the person that refuses to read something they may not agree with is no better off than the person who cannot read at all"-Thomas Paine

the terms sycophant comes to mind.......as does remaining willfully ignorant.

You don't learn in a vacuum-you remain a pawn for others to use as they see fit.

To refuse to even entertain opposing viewpoints...that is as close to turning off one's brain and critical, logical thought as one can get, I feel sorry for you.


science is heresy-remember Galleleo was not pardoned of the crime of heresy until 1992-it wasn't until then that the church accepted his teachings were correct. So until that point any reference to the Earth not being the center of the universe was heresy, Darwinian theory is heresy-both of these concepts figure greatly into modern science.

and pretty much up until 1776 in the US at least politics=religion they were so inextricably linked as to be one in the same, and because the church issued an official apology "it's all ok now" wow good to know one can commit atrocities and then just apologize years later and it's ok-maybe the leaders of Islam will do that in a couple hundred years-hey if it's ok for other religions-or just yours?

The Church actually issued an official apology

yup and this was the entirety of it:

"We forgive and we ask forgiveness. We are asking pardon for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of other religions."

[Hobbs]

See, an apology. So what more do you want?

Science isn't heresy. The Church has decreed several times that is isn't, and is the major Christian voice supporting evolution. Therefore, that argument is false.

Here's another quote: "For dogma we would kill even our Founder."

[Rapscallion]

Here's another quote: "For dogma we would kill even our Founder."

Perhaps that should be in the past tense?

Rapscallion

[Hobbs]

Perhaps that should be in the past tense?

Rapscallion

Either way, if I learned Section XIII Escariot really existed, I'd join in a heartbeat.

[HYHYBT]

You don't have to read anything you don't want to.... but if you don't, you won't know what's really in there, nor can you give an informed opinion on it to anyone else.

[Hobbs]

You don't have to read anything you don't want to.... but if you don't, you won't know what's really in there, nor can you give an informed opinion on it to anyone else.

It's just the same athiestic bs over again...just wrapped in a different package.

[BlaqueKatt]

Either way, if I learned Section XIII Escariot really existed, I'd join in a heartbeat.

Iscariot is the secret black ops team of the Vatican. Charged with killing heretics and freaks, it is a deadly force directly under the Pope's orders; many of its soldiers are quite insane themselves.

well that pretty much tells me all I'd ever want to know about you-pretty sure murdering people that don't agree with you is what the crusades and inquisition were about(and goes very much against the words of Jesus-you know "Love one another as I have loved you" I see nothing in there about "love only those that agree with me, kill the rest")-which as you claim the church has apologized for-yet you'd love to join a group that does just that? Wow, just WOW

[Hobbs]

They're protectors of the Church, charged with protecting it from freaks and the enemies of the Church. I much prefer the version shown in Crossfire over the version seen in Hellsing, since the people fought in Crossfire rightfully should be fought (they're terrorists).

Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teaches my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Because the Pope really cares about human life, and places the freedom and well-being of humanity above the well-being of himself and his organization. No pope has ever been petty, violent, hateful or despotic.

Oh wait, FUCKLOADS of them were!

The Catholic church's upper management has shown for centuries that they're capable of any damn thing they please, much of which ranges from inhumane to downright evil. Do you really want these people to have, along with various support networks, assassins?

[BlaqueKatt]

since the people fought in Crossfire rightfully should be fought (they're terrorists).

apparently the writers don't know their scripture Matthew 5 43-48

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

I now understand totally what Ghandi meant when he said "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. "

[Hobbs]

You do realize that Crossfire is written by a Japanese manga-ka who only used it as a device for what was originally a hentai doujinshi? That it's all fiction...a fabrication?

And since when did fiction have to be compatible with anything? If that's true, that Brown guy should be sued for slander and libel. But of course, since he portrays the Church as evil, that makes it ok, right?

[BlaqueKatt]

And since when did fiction have to be compatible with anything?

you see no hypocrisy in wanting to belong to a group within the church(if it were to exist) that goes 100% against all the teachings of Christ-the person that CHRISTians are supposed to emulate? And that there is nothing wrong with going against established Church Doctrine and Dogma, if it benefits/protects the church?

I honestly would like an answer-and not a cherry-pick or a dodge....

[Hobbs]

I have neither cherry-picked nor dodged. No, I see no hypocrisy in wanting to be part of a ficticious unit who's sole goal is to protect a sovereign state of the world. I am a member of a service that protects a sovereign nation; it's the exact same thing.

[BlaqueKatt]

I have neither cherry-picked nor dodged. No, I see no hypocrisy in wanting to be part of a ficticious unit who's sole goal is to protect a sovereign state of the world. I am a member of a service that protects a sovereign nation; it's the exact same thing.

The Vatican is not even recognized by the UN

And you yourself have said-DOCTRINE is more important than human judgment

Church doctrine AND CHRIST HIMSELF-whom you claim to love and obey through his teachings-are 100% the opposite of what the fictitious groups stated purpose is.

In other words you are saying one thing(church doctrine is important, words of Christ are God's law) but doing quite another(saying "I'd like to kill heretics")

which is hypocrisy-and if you are Catholic-remember you think it, your punishment is the same as if you had done it-congratulations you may be a heretic-your thoughts/wishes have gone against church doctrine, and the teachings of Christ.


I wasn't always an athiest-I know the bible, parts of the Koran, the Talmud, the book of Mormon....I know more about religion than you ever will, and honestly I pity you.

[draggar]

And since when did fiction have to be compatible with anything? If that's true, that Brown guy should be sued for slander and libel. But of course, since he portrays the Church as evil, that makes it ok, right?

I'm assuming you're talking about Dan brown's book The DaVinci code? (I hope you read the book and didn't watch the movie). There's a lot more truth in that story. Pagans (for as long as they've been around) always worshipped women and acknowledged women's power (they're the ones who steer evolution - not men) it's religions like Judiasm, Christianity, and Muslim that squashed them into submission. Don't believe me? Why is almost everyone Christianity about Jesus EXCEPT in Latin America where it's more about the Virgin Mary?

.. and so what if Jesus was married to Mary Magdeline? I don't see why the Vatican would be so adimant to keep this a secret but they're like any other nation in the world - with their own secrets that they'll protect.

If you're talking about Angels and Demons the church was painted as good - there was just one corrupt member who was willing to risk everything for his own advancement and the trust everyone had in that person. (Plus the whole religion is good, science is bad debate).

Since Digital Fortress and Deception Point has nothing to do with religion - I'll assume yo weren't talking about them.