It's called Ramadan you idiots!

[daleduke17]

Freedom of Religion only protects against government entities barring religious items/celebrations. Disney is private and they have full rights not to allow certain things.

Hobbs: Would the military allow her to wear a hijab while in full uniform (work or dress) or would she have to conform to military rules?

[McDreidel09]

Freedom of Religion only protects against government entities barring religious items/celebrations. Disney is private and they have full rights not to allow certain things.

Smiley wasn't talking the First Amendment. There is a federal law that requires places of employment to allow religious things, such as the growth of a beard, a headdress, etc. Even at McDonald's, where men have to shave, they must make room for those who grow their beards for religious reasons.

[Hobbs]

Freedom of Religion only protects against government entities barring religious items/celebrations. Disney is private and they have full rights not to allow certain things.

Hobbs: Would the military allow her to wear a hijab while in full uniform (work or dress) or would she have to conform to military rules?

I've never met a Muslim person within the military as of yet, but I would say no. However, you're making an apple and oranges comparison. The Armed Forces are, by definition of Congress, a separate entity from the civilian population and must follow rules and regulations that would seem irregular or wrong in a free society. Disney is a private civilian company and must conform to workforce discrimination laws and civilian laws and regulations.

Workforce discrimination laws, which are both federal and state, require that employers respect their employees rights to practice their freedom of religion. I've seen several workers wearing the hijab throughout my years. In my opinion, wearing such an article doesn't bring a person out of compliance with the dress code.

[Talon]

I am no fan of Islam, but equating wearing a hijab on a holiday with radical Islam is fucking absurd.

[fireheart17]

I am no fan of Islam, but equating wearing a hijab on a holiday with radical Islam is fucking absurd.

There's been a bit of flack down here about women wearing the burqa. Of course, I have yet to see one in Adelaide (my hometown) but apparaently burqas are "oppressing" and "can be used as a disguise for thieves."

To a lesser extent, I tend to think of Islam fundies and Christian fundies as no different from one another really. The main difference however seems to be that in my hometown at least, Islam fundamentalists are not likely to conduct protests outside abortion clinics or bars (since alcohol is forbidden in Islam), whereas Christian fundies tend to congregate outside the sole abortion clinic in my state that's not connected to a hospital.

[draggar]

Does anyone else find it interesting that this all started with the suspension of an employee who works for a company that used to brag about their diversity?

They even have a whole seperate park dedicated to other nation's traditions!!

Can you say HYPOCRITE?

[Red Panda]

Disney was willing to let her wear the scarf and work in the back but she refused

[daleduke17]

Disney was willing to let her wear the scarf and work in the back but she refused

Then she has no one but herself to blame for being out of work.

[KnitShoni]

Umm, Federal Discrimination Laws require that workplaces make reasonable accommodations for an employee's religious beliefs, wearing a headscarf in religious observation is not an unreasonable request.

Because of this, I can't see how forcing her to work in the back can be considered a reasonable accommodation.

[smileyeagle1021]

I could see how asking her to work in back is reasonable... while it may not be part of the federal law, I would say it is right that both parties make accommodations. As long as the pay and benefits are the same (or better) I don't see how working a different position as part of the accommodation is wrong.
When I worked at a movie theater there was a Jewish girl who worked there who could not work on Saturdays, not even go after midnight on Friday (technically sundown on Friday if she was going to be Orthodox, but she only practiced the Calendar sabbath rather than traditional sabbath). She normally worked concessions, but on Fridays had to work box office because the box office closed at 11:30 and the concession stand closed down at midnight then we got to go home as soon as cleaning was done. She didn't particularly like box office, but she appreciated the schedule consideration to make sure she got home by midnight.

[Kimmik]

Catholics, Jews, Eastern Orthodox, Amish, Mennonites, and the list goes on about head coverings in cultures. The Burka is a perversion of the Hajib but then again Islam is not the first religion to be perverted.

The hair covering is also about modesty, considering all the commercials about hair, and women generally spend a lot of time fixing their hair.. In Islam men also are required to certain dress standards as well. But of course it is only about the women when we focus the magnifying glass on Islam.

And let me tell you the are great on bad hair days. While I am not muslim I do have a few Hajib's since I do have a few Muslim friends and out of respect, just as when visiting other friends I dont wear revealing clothing.

But I also have a friend that I have known for years and since 9/11 she refused to wear the Hajib till just recently, When asked about it she said that she was tired of hiding and being ashamed.

Why should she have to hide her self and her beliefs when Christians dont, Catholics dont and neither do any other religion that has nut jobs that kill in the name of their God. To me it sounds as if the woman in the article, who is working on her citizenship, discovered the freedom of religion that is suppose to be the background of our society. Well except if your Muslim.

Smiley I agree that she should have been offered the same pay or better if she had to work in back until the scarf that Disney was supposedly working on was done, if in a timely manner. But back of the house is a different world compared to front of the house.

[Hobbs]

Then she has no one but herself to blame for being out of work.

Yeah, how DARE a woman not want to go to the back!

[draggar]

Why should she have to hide her self and her beliefs when Christians dont, Catholics dont and neither do any other religion that has nut jobs that kill in the name of their God. To me it sounds as if the woman in the article, who is working on her citizenship, discovered the freedom of religion that is suppose to be the background of our society. Well except if your Muslim.

Because after 9/11 there was a surge in anti-Muslim violence, especially around NYC. Many gas station attendants got beaten up over it. The attendants that worked at the station I regularly went to told me one of their own guys got beat up and the only reson they came out to pour gas (self serve is/was illegal in NJ) is because they knew me and I was a regular.

Even some mosques were vandalized (I don't remember if any were burned down or not).

Show me an extremist in any other religion that's incited this much violence against their belief recently in the USA.

[KnitShoni]

Show me an extremist in any other religion that's incited this much violence against their belief recently in the USA.

Are you talking religions who've actually done things to warrant a similar reaction? In that case, Christian extremists should be at the top of the list. Always. Why is it that folks can never tell the difference between extremists and the groups they claim to represent EXCEPT when the group in question is Christians?

[Hobbs]

Show me an extremist in any other religion that's incited this much violence against their belief recently in the USA.

Fred Phelps is a "Christian."