Hypocrisy and contradiction

[Hyena Dandy]

That's kind of like the difference between "might makes right" and "right makes might"
Yeah, we can force people to go along for us, but that will only work for so long, once they have the ability to give us the middle finger and do their own thing they will, as compared to people wanting to follow us and who will continue to follow us even when they no longer have to.

Okay, thank you for explaining it.

The US is behind in a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure there aren't many people who consider us groundbreaking when it comes to putting forward ideas into the political sphere, and they haven't for a long time.

Now that I understand what GK meant by end of political relevance

I think we don't have any 'relevance' right now anyway.

[BlaqueKatt]

While assholes are fighting against displays in a museum, we've got pretty much our entire political machine above the local level locked out against pretty much anyone non-Christian, and an entire nation that seems to think that situation is just a-ok.

that is not the only lawsuit the american atheists are currently fighting, one that's getting very little attention is the one from KY, where the state is attempting to exclude anyone non christian from holding political office. And there are people pushing a bill through congress at this moment trying to make the cross a national monument to the faith of America*, American Atheists does not choose it's battles by "well this inclusion of religion isn't so bad, we'll ignore that, and wait for the really big one", it's the camel's foot in the tent. Simply put if not challenged it sets precedent and cannot be challenged, neither can anything similar. American Atheists started with the landmark lawsuit to get mandatory prayer out of public schools.

*“By establishing the 9/11 Memorial Cross as a national monument, we ensure this symbol of freedom continues to stand for all those we lost and those whose faith remains to this day.” - Rep Grimm This is also an attempt to "secularize" the christian symbol of the cross, once one is established as a "secular" symbol it can be placed anywhere, thus granting christianity preferential treatment above all other religions.