Scientology

[AdminAssistant]

If Nancy was portraying herself as Bart Simpson, then yes, it would be illegal.

Of course, copyright law is an incredibly complex thing, something we can actually thank Mickey Mouse for. See, every time Walt Disney's copyright on Mickey comes close to expiring, the Disney corporation lobbies Congress to extend copyright law. They'll do anything to keep Mickey from going into the public domain.

[PepperElf]

the bart ad

There's no video (other than some words saying there's no video) but the youtube link has the audio recording of her doing the ad. She claims to be Bart at first and then does a Bart laugh and says who she REALLY is but.. yeah she keeps using the Bart-voice to talk, though it does end up sounding slightly more feminine in the middle.

Granted yes it's *her* voice, but... I think she's taking advantage of her popularity with children to an interesting low.


anyway... the thing i find most interesting about the "religion" is... if I remember correctly, wasn't L. Ron Hubbard a racist?

And... the wiki article on him didn't directly say it but they did note use of racial slurs in his diary, etc.

"As a Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down."
"They smell of all the baths they didnt [sic] take. The trouble with China is, there are too many ch***s here."

And his writings on Africans were equally disparaging. Wikipedia says the 2007 copy the scientology book changed "African" to "primitive" but... hey he still wrote it in the first place.

Granted it may be because he was a product of the time and during the years he was growing up, it wasn't considered rude to use racial slurs... but... sorry it still makes me twitch.

[Slytovhand]

Well, if she just said "Hi, I'm Nancy Cartwright", the majority of people would say "Who??". In doing Bart first, she identifies herself.

I'm not so sure it's aimed at kids, because if you look at the stats of Simpsons watchers, there's a lot of adults who love it. (noting, I haven't heard the audio - can't get youtube here).


oh, I've read a few things apparently written by LRH (not saying he didn't, but I do also know of stuff that's been put in his name by the church anyway), and yeah... I've cringed. While I like a lot (well, maybe only some) of the processes and theories he's written, he's still a bit of a nutter, IMHO. Very egocentric. And his cult members are incredibly indoctrinated... like good little robots.

[anriana]

[color=pink]anyway... the thing i find most interesting about the "religion" is... if I remember correctly, wasn't L. Ron Hubbard a racist?

Mormonism considered Black people inferior/cursed for 200 years.

Christianity/Judaism advocated the killing of children based on their race.

Can we disparage those too?

[PepperElf]

well that depends...

i don't specifically recall the baby-killing passages but... i'm pretty sure Christ himself didn't advocate killing anyone, let alone children... so in a way for christianity at least, to me that'd be a moot point, and even with the bible passages... it woudl be a moot point because obviously no one sane believes that.

but... then again LRH's "bible" was supposedly written to see if they could trick people into following it... so either way, *shrug*

[lordlundar]

hmm, Nancy must have got a revision in her latest contract, or found a loophole in it. The last one I recall specifically prohibited her from using the voice for anything apart from the show itself and any promotions approved by Fox.

If neither circumstance is true, she could be held accountable for a breach of contract. Not that I care either way, the last episode of the simpsons I watched was several months ago and that was one of their early ones.

[Antipsych]

I don't agree with 99% of Scientology, but don't get me started on psychiatry and Sigmund the Fraud.

[Boozy]

I don't agree with 99% of Scientology, but don't get me started on psychiatry and Sigmund the Fraud.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you DO want someone to "get you started" on psychiatry, or you wouldn't have said anything.

Please start a new thread if you do decide to share your thoughts on the subject. This thread is about Scientology. A little thread drift never bothers me, but psychiatry is a whole new topic.

[Antipsych]

Actually, I'm pretty sure you DO want someone to "get you started" on psychiatry, or you wouldn't have said anything.

Please start a new thread if you do decide to share your thoughts on the subject. This thread is about Scientology. A little thread drift never bothers me, but psychiatry is a whole new topic.

Yeah, you're probably right. After I collect my thoughts well enough to say what I want to, I will, in another thread. And then I'll prepare to defend myself, because the masses have been brainwashed into believing that King Fraud is God. No offense intended to you, if you believe in psychiatry, or to anyone else who does. Okay, enough said for now.

[tropicsgoddess]

I don't see how some people or mostly celebrities for the matter look at Scientology as an actual religion. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that a religion that was created by a science fiction writer where you use machines to read your "aura" or whatever the fuck it's called. That is more like some culty stuff to me, like that dude who did the Heaven's gate cult in the late 90's.

[Flyndaran]

I don't see how some people or mostly celebrities for the matter look at Scientology as an actual religion. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that a religion that was created by a science fiction writer where you use machines to read your "aura" or whatever the fuck it's called. That is more like some culty stuff to me, like that dude who did the Heaven's gate cult in the late 90's.

So nutjob thousands of years ago = real religiion, but one only decades ago = cult?
That seems overly subjective.
Honestly, scientology doesn't seem any less sensible than most "real" religions out there.

[Slytovhand]

I don't see how some people or mostly celebrities for the matter look at Scientology as an actual religion. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that a religion that was created by a science fiction writer where you use machines to read your "aura" or whatever the fuck it's called. That is more like some culty stuff to me, like that dude who did the Heaven's gate cult in the late 90's.

Definitions...

It's a 'religion' because it is 'presumed' that there is life after death, something that survives the death of the body. Belief in an 'aura' as you say would also make it qualify (not that I'm saying they do believe in auras...).

I think it's a 'religion' to get tax exempt status, otherwise it wouldn't matter (hence why on their 'catalogue' of courses etc, the payments are called 'donations'..<cough cough>)

[MadMike]

I think it's a 'religion' to get tax exempt status, otherwise it wouldn't matter (hence why on their 'catalogue' of courses etc, the payments are called 'donations'..<cough cough>)

That's one thing I have a huge problem with, with religions in general. Especially the ones that want to influence politics. George Carlin said it best -- if you're so interested in politics, fine! Pay your fuckin' admission like everyone else!

[the_std]

I don't see how some people or mostly celebrities for the matter look at Scientology as an actual religion. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that a religion that was created by a science fiction writer where you use machines to read your "aura" or whatever the fuck it's called. That is more like some culty stuff to me, like that dude who did the Heaven's gate cult in the late 90's.

How is that more ridiculous than believing that some guy, who was born to a virgin human woman, was the son of god, turned water into wine (without the usual process of fermentation), cured lepers with his touch, and then rose from the dead and ascended into heaven?

I'm not saying I support Scientology or that I hate Christianity, but that isn't a very valid basis of comparison. Most organized religion is about leaps of faith and believing illogical things.

[IDrinkaRum]

Court in France convicts Church of Scientology for Fraud and fined it around $900,000

However, it did not ban the Church as prosecutors wanted them to do.