Scientology

[BroomJockey]

Murder has been apart of just about any major religion. To cut down one religion and not the rest for doing the same thing seems a bit hypocritical.

I suggest you look at my post near the start of the "Has religion become about hate" thread.

http://www.fratching.com/showpost.ph...00&postcount=5 <--That one, in point of fact. So to accuse me of hypocrisy is laughable.

To me, though, the difference is that currently, other religions are not actively participating in sanctioned murder. Anything of the sort is from extremists who do not represent the views of the majority of the religion's hierarchy. The Church of Scientology, however, is actively and currently engaged in abominable behaviour, right through to the top of the main organization, and in fact it's the fringe members who tend to be more reasonable. Thus, I prioritize in choice of targets. CoS = currently evil. Other religions = formerly evil. If the CoS goes through a major reformation that completely halts its abusive, illegal activities, then I'd probably just go against organized religion as a whole.

[Fashion Lad!]

The Church of Scientology, however, is actively and currently engaged in abominable behaviour, right through to the top of the main organization, and in fact it's the fringe members who tend to be more reasonable. Thus, I prioritize in choice of targets. CoS = currently evil. Other religions = formerly evil. If the CoS goes through a major reformation that completely halts its abusive, illegal activities, then I'd probably just go against organized religion as a whole.

All religions have evil. I'd be more willing to bet that most are not going to harm anyone. Catholics against giving homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals. Lutherans doing the same, only it seems to be more quietly. Catholics in support of Islamic extremists blowing themselves up to protect the world from homosexuals. Scientologists saying that prescription drugs are bad, bad news. Not allowing for any form of psychotherapy. Other countries with other religions beating their mentally challenged because they bring on shame or are possessed.

Most Scientologists bring in their own beliefs from there own churches. All religions have evil. All of them will create evil.

Now, I agree that it's a huge scam to pay for some religion in your life. Scientology is in fact a corporation under the guise of being a place of enlightenment.

But, I disagree with some of the arguments presented to say that Scientology is worse than any other religion.

[Dreamstalker]

I submit for examination this page.

[BroomJockey]

Most Scientologists bring in their own beliefs from there own churches.

Okay, I really think you aren't familiar with the CoS. At all. You seem to think it's just another religion you can join or leave as you wish. You don't get to bring your own beliefs. Not from religion, or from anything else. CoS brainwashes people, isolates them, and cripples them mentally. Like any cult, they pull you in slowly, though. CoS is like an abuser. They start out nice and happy, and then slowly kill your self-esteem to the point where you think they're the only ones who will ever accept you. If you try and talk to anyone who's in the CoS, and say anything not strictly approved, you're labelled a "Subversive Person," and no one in the CoS outside a specific branch is allowed contact with you. CoS is a cult, and a dangerous one.

Read that link Dreamstalker provided. Not just a little of it. Take at least an hour with it. Think about it. And then think that it's going on currently, not just in the past.

[jackfaire]

So why is it different when one religion kills just like many others? What makes scientology different than any other religion other than beliefs?

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Is this to me? Your reply I mean I was wondering if it was aimed at my post. Because yes if you endorse for example one faith that bans gay marriage and say they do nothing wrong but you bash another faith for banning gay marriage yes that would be hypocritical.

However if I am saying, "I hate so and so because they ban gay marriage" I am not a hypcrite because I don't mention sa and sa, lo and lo, etc.

The hypocrisy comes when I praise the others.

[Slytovhand]

I submit for examination this page.

The problem with this site, and others like it, is that they don't differentiate between the 'church' of $cientology, and some of the actual techniques used. And that can be a significant difference!

I remember one part of that site I was reading years ago, someone was bitching about the 'brainwashing' and how terrible it was.."All they kept doing to me, for hours and hours on end, was 'do birds fly?' or 'do fish swim?' It was terrible!!" Well, dumbass, obviously you didn't get the damned point of that procedure! (not sure who's fault it was there - other than definitely the coach's.. and the Course Supervisor's).


So - Xenu.net is anti-$cio - not anti-Co$. And it's the Co$ that's evil... right to the top!

BJ, you wanted reform? Well, maybe, but I can inform you that there has been a schism... Ron's Org, Pilot, ClearBird, etc... and they get hammered by the Co$'ers... there's speculation that the Pilot was murdered only shortly after he a) announced his real name, and b) said he's got another book to publish!


As for the stance on psycho-therapy.. let's just imagine a situation, shall we? You take your car to the mechanics, and say it keeps pulling to the left. The mechanic looks over your car, can't really see anything wrong... but your arm is in a sling... Mechanic says "I don't think it's the car, but I can see your arm is in a sling, I think you're actually pulling it over yourself". They go for a drive, and lo and behold, driver is pulling the car to the left with their left arm (while the right is in a sling). So... should the mechanic try and belt something out of the car, or should they do something about the arm??

That is the philosophy behind the stance against drugs and psychiatry!

Now, you may not agree with it, but then that's the whole 'faith' thing, now, isn't it???

(FTR, I can see pros and cons.... until I've seen great unbiased research on some of the stuff they're pulling, I'll remain in 2 minds... because I get the theory, not sure they're doing well with the practice!)

[HYHYBT]

Those that do not seek treatment because they are being told that their mental illness can be cured with vitamins or that it is all in their minds can be a danger to themselves and others.

Being 'in the mind' is pretty much the definition of mental illness

[jackfaire]

Being 'in the mind' is pretty much the definition of mental illness

I meant mental illnesses such as schizophrenia where you can't simply go oh wait I am just letting my imagination get away with me. I am talking ones that are chemically based.

And Psychology isn't just psychiatry. To lump drugs and psychiatrists in and say thus all psychology is bad is an erroneous assessment.

Psychologists do not and cannot prescribe drugs. If someone were to need meds they would have to be referred to a psychiatrist.

Psychologists focus more on therapy. if they were always telling patients go to so and so and get drugs they would have no patients.

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Oh and psychology is about seeing that the person's arm is in a sling and pointing that out. You don't get anywhere telling a person to think about their mother and telling them she is the issue. Anytime your counseling someone your employing psychology.

[HYHYBT]

My apologies. I tried to make it plain that it was a joke, but will do better next time.

[jackfaire]

My apologies. I tried to make it plain that it was a joke, but will do better next time.

Woops sorry my bad missed the smiley face been a very very very long day at work.

The arm in the sling thing was pointed at the post above yours that implied all of Psychology is about pill popping.

[Slytovhand]

Woops sorry my bad missed the smiley face been a very very very long day at work.

The arm in the sling thing was pointed at the post above yours that implied all of Psychology is about pill popping.

Actually, I brought in the 'arm in a sling', and it didn't refer to pill-popping.

Sorry, I didn't explain the analogy correctly.

It actually refers to the body (and brain etc) are a vehicle which the (for want of a better word) the 'soul' controls. If the 'soul' isn't properly controlling the body because it's got 'issues', then the vehicle will crash... and the vehicle includes the idea of mental health (whether you disagree or not isn't the point here - I'm just pointing out why they are against such things... apart from being idiots!)

[jackfaire]

I'm just pointing out why they are against such things... apart from being idiots!)

Okay. I get defensive because if I had the money/time I would be majoring in psychology (when your not in school your an armchair psychologist (rolls eyes)) and I hear all the time people are against it because of the pill popping attitude that is supposedly so prevelant.

[Slytovhand]

Oh, no, they are against the pill-popping! And the ice-picks....

I was invited to watch a video, and it was all about how every other belief system and psychology etc had failed, and how psychiatrist were evil people who just wanted to lobotomise people with ice-picks all the time, and why Scientology is the only thing good that mankind has ever had.....

Blech!

The Co$ is full of morons! But there's some good people in there too.... if the good people ever get to the top of the chain, maybe some good will come out...????

[Flyndaran]

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The Co$ is full of morons! But there's some good people in there too.... if the good people ever get to the top of the chain, maybe some good will come out...????

You could say the same about nearly every church. I have yet to see a major religion or large group of people of any persuasion for that matter truly lead by good people.

[IDrinkaRum]

Celebrity Scientologists other than Tom/Kate/Travolta

Interestingly, they didn't mention Corin Nemec (of "Parker Lewis Can't Lose" and "Stargate: SG1 fame).