Reincarnation?

[Flyndaran]

Ah, obviously I should have stressed the only bit... Karma works (apparently) both in life and between life. Personally, I'd love to know the rules!!! (recalling, I'm not a great fan of it...).

But if karma worked, then it either should be obvious or at least verifiable with statistical analysis. But it isn't. There is no fairness in the world that doesn't come directly from willfull actions. Everything else is relatively random.

Science, religion and philosophy. I don't propose to replace one with the other, only that they should have a lot more to do with each other. If not, you get the situation where they clash - and in monumentally stupid ways (ie the whole evolution debate). Similarly, since we're on the topic of meditation (and reincarnation), there's no reason really why science can't involve itself in such things. It has made inroads to realising what actually happens in the brain and body - to 'prove' that meditation does actually have real effects... rather than anecdotal. Reincarnation... it can either remain in the realms of the merely religious and never ever get tested and proven... or we can actually get people who do have 'memories' and see what details they come up with that can be factually proven to be correct and impossible for them to have knowledge of any other way.
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I will always prefer science to trum philosophy and religion, even if I was religious. My father was that way. Heck if he didn't suck at math he would have been a scientist. The police departments and the public of where we lived would have missed his loss though. A major problem with verifying past life memories is that they must recall information that can be verified but that the individual could not possibly have known. Hard enough in yesteryear, but today with the internet, I doubt it's possible to prove that it's iimpossible for I not to know some particular thing about the past.
Also, there's the issue that memories of past people does not have only one explanation. Reincarnation is just one. Generic psychic phenomenon is another. Psychic echoes travelling the earth until it hits someone sensitive to those particular memories is another. Souls' existance is just the LEAST likely explanation in my opinion.


Meditation has been studied. So far the only things learned was that it is a perfectly possible brain state with an abundance of alpha waves akin to just waking up. The only interesting part is that it is generally maintained much longer than normal. I may even label it the ultimate relaxation technique, but nothing special otherwise.

Oh - for my pain I was only referring to when I had breaks, aches, etc... all accident induced (and then went healing... another topic)..

I assumed so, it's just that it hit a nerve. I had a thanfully short term problem with depression and cutting in my late teens.

My meditation cd... probably not a lot of difference - but there is a bit that makes it (hopefully) unique! (trade secret ).

Sadly, doesn't everyone say that? But personally, I am having a wonderful peaceful time with my new medication. The difference between pre-drug cocktail and now cannot be overstated. I'm ecstatic just not having to tread water, metaphorically speaking without searching for ways to fly. I hope you understand my meaning.

Now, while I certainly agree in Ockham's razor having it's place, it's not always accurate. Nor are 'all things equal'. While there may always be a mundane reason for everything, that in itself isn't 'proof'. I have images that may relate to past lives... do I just automatically discount them only because there may be a mundane explanation? That's where science needs to listen to religion .

Nothing should be automatically discounted until verifiably proven false. The fact that real scientific people do so often, is a fault in them, not the scientific method. Proof requires no other likely explanation. We must search out and prove every other LIKELY possibility false, then and, only then, can we say that some particular explanation is almost certainly the correct one.

I'm willing to entertain nearly anything for the sake of an experiment. I would actually be pleasantly surprised to see data that contradicts my expectations. I wish every scientist thought that way. It would keep so much data from being unconsciously manipulated toward the expected banal and sometimes false results.

WHAT??? Are you calling me civil??? I'll have you, sunshine!!!! *biff biff kapow*.

Batman visual sound effects back at ya'.


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t's my philosophical attitude - try to listen and understand - makes discussion so much easier.

Hee. It's my scientific attitude to listen and understand as much as possible.
Meeting in the middle despite our different starting points.