Is this a "common core" problem?

[AmbrosiaWriter]

What is the only state whose name consists of two words, neither of which is "North", "South", or "New"?

....that is a trick question. >_>

[Gravekeeper]

Then why do his own words say otherwise?

You said he didn't sign off on them. He did. The two people that did not sign off on CC were only panel members on the CC validation board. Virtually all of the talking points against CC can be traced back to them and for the most part their criticisms were bullshit. Riddled with inaccuracies and misconceptions about what CC is.

One, Dr Stotsky, wanted to include a mandatory reading list for English. This was rejected as reading lists are considered curriculum and thus up to schools/teachers/states. Since then she has continued to falsely maintain popular anti-CC talking points like CC requires half its reading materials to be non-fiction. ( There is no such standard or requirement in CC ). Her focus, of course, is English and language arts, not math.

Stotsky has never published any academic works, has never held any tenured positions and has never taught a class at the university she is associated with. Her department is funded by conservative groups as well as Walmart ( weirdly, pushing anti-union legislation ) and advocates on their behalf.


Two, Milgram. I assume this is who you're thinking of, as he is a mathematician and refused to sign off on CC on the validation panel. Then made a big deal of it. Milgram has opposed basically all math education reform of any sort in the last 25 years. Like Stotsky, he has been consistently intellectually dishonest about CC. I don't know what precisely his problem is but he has little credibility in the realm of mathematics.

Citing Milgram as proof vs the 70+ mathematicians, multiple universities and organizations that analyzed and approved the math standards is like citing the 3 scientists that oppose global warming.

I've done no such thing. I can't help it if you're coming off as angry in your posts.

And there it is again.

What part of seven, five times, is unclear? That's what 5 x 7 means.

I'm telling you, "3 groups of five" is what 5 x 3 should be.

If you can't follow your own argument, don't harp on me about it. You asked, I answered. You parroted a bullet list of CC goals, I cited the actual standards.

I'm sincerely getting tired of having to Google everything for you in every thread because you saw something on Youtube. If you can't do your own research for your own topics, don't start them in the first place.

[Gravekeeper]

ONE

of the five people involved with CC was a mathematician, as far as I know.

Yes, its not like it was developed, reviewed, evolved and approved by several universities, education groups, public feedback and oh, 70+ other mathematicians. -.-

It sprang fully formed from the misguided taint of one lone man in a bus stop restroom giggling to himself as he made a calculator display "BOOBIES".

[Aragarthiel]

....that is a trick question. >_>

Pssst... Rhode Island

That's correct. It's not a matter of confusion. It's a matter of my computer programming background.

if I set up a 3 x 5 array, I have three rows of five columns.

If I set up a 5 x 3 array, I have five rows of three columns..

You realize math and computer programming are two totally different things, right?

[AmbrosiaWriter]

Pssst... Rhode Island

Pssst.... West Virginia....

Told you it was a trick question. =P

[Kheldarson]

Pssst.... West Virginia....

It's three words. You forgot the "by-God" :P

[AmbrosiaWriter]

So, a 3 x 5 array is 3 rows of 5 columns... otherwise known as 3 groups of 5... otherwise known as 5 + 5 + 5.

A 5 x 3 array is 5 rows of 3 columns... otherwise known as 5 groups of 3... otherwise known as 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3.

I don't quite get why you are so dead-set on reversing the numbers rather arbitrarily. Why go from a 5 x 3 array of 5 rows and 3 columns, to then declare that it is 3 groups of 5? Because Western Culture reads left to right before going up to down?

But that doesn't make sense, because you gave the vertical before you gave the horizontal in describing the array, and when explaining any single box in the array, you will give the row (vertical) before you give the column (horizontal). So why is that one aspect reversed? HECK! Even when reading a map with boxes, or latitude and longitude, you give the ROW before giving the COLUMN (or the latitude comes first, and the longitude second). So you say where the place is vertically before saying where it is horizontally on a map.

It's three words. You forgot the "by-God" :P

I's sorry. I is atheist. =P THERE IS NO GOD TO BE BY.

[KabeRinnaul]

You realize math and computer programming are two totally different things, right?

No?
</former compsci major>

[Mr Hero]

Not CC...Nooooooo....

Do you know what THEY do??

12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32

3 + 5 = 8 + 10 = 18 + 2 = 20.

Not that I condone it, but this appears to be a similar solving method of counting back change without a calculator.

I can't believe we're getting hung up on the syntax of the problem. Some interpret it as 5x 3 or 5 x3. But shouldn't the fact the kid solved the problem using repeated addition count for something?

[wolfie]

....that is a trick question. >_>

Pssst... Rhode Island

Correct. This is what the answer section listed.

Pssst.... West Virginia....

Bzzt! Wrong answer. You might see a second state that fits the pattern, I might see a second state that fits the pattern, but the authority figure who came up with the quiz (found in one of the free trade publications several years back) stated that there was only ONE correct answer, and it was "Rhode Island".

Just like the authority figure who came up with the math question decided that multiplication was NOT commutative, so "5+5+5" does not represent the use of the repetitive addition principle to express "5x3". See principle #9 of Common Core.

[mjr]

It's not better, it's just plain WRONG. Why? The last line, where they add everything up.

That's my mistake, wolfie. I did that to conserve space.

What is the only state whose name consists of two words, neither of which is "North", "South", or "New"?

West Virginia.

[mjr]

And there it is again.

I'm just pointing it out.

If you can't follow your own argument, don't harp on me about it. You asked, I answered. You parroted a bullet list of CC goals, I cited the actual standards.

Aren't the standards supposed to support the goals?

I'm sincerely getting tired of having to Google everything for you in every thread because you saw something on Youtube. If you can't do your own research for your own topics, don't start them in the first place.

There's a simple solution to that.

[mjr]

You realize math and computer programming are two totally different things, right?

They're somewhat intertwined, though.

[mjr]

But shouldn't the fact the kid solved the problem using repeated addition count for something?

FINALLY somebody else gets it!

THIS has been my point all along. The kid "used the formula" (i.e. "repeated addition") to solve the problem.

The fact that he wrote 5 + 5 + 5 should count.

[s_stabeler]

mjr, I have also been making that exact same point. especially considering that the test in question is for third-graders. plus, common core is supposed to not be about rote memorization- which, if the lesson goes down to the level of specifying exactly how you are supposed to add up the numbers- rather than teaching that you can add it up either way, each being equally valid- then it is teaching rote memorization of how to answer the question.