Rape and sexual assault myths

[Ree]

Would you care to clarify that, kibbles?

[kibbles]

A couple of examples I gave in another thread was someone lying to get someone to sleep with them (i.e. telling someone they are rich), saying "if you loved me you would, or it's no big deal, etc." While these are certainly slimy things to do to another person, it's in no way sexual assault.

JMO of course.

[BlaqueKatt]

The myths still exist because GOP pundits still scream them out as fact.[/URL]

I don't see any "screaming it out as fact" I see Bill O'reilly giving an opinion-that a girl drunk at two in the morning in a bad area of town was raped and murdered-had she not made the decision to let down her guard by getting drunk she might not have been murdered.

And while no one "asks to be raped" you do have to take SOME responsibility for your own safety-walking home through a bad neighborhood drunk at 2 am is not the way to be safe-for anyone regardless of gender.

From the very article you linked to
"O’Reilly’s comments about Moore were part of a larger segment about the dangers of drunkenness."

He mentioned the clothes she was wearing while drunk would attract attention-never said "she asked for it" or "deserved it"(the writer of the article implied that-and the writer is from "think progress" which claims they are there to "expose" the right-wing agenda of the media-so strong bias there to follow another poster's description of a group that leans the other way)-and yes the description of her clothing would attract attention.

Too many younger girls have the "I'm invincible" attitude, also known as "it won't happen to me"

Case in point several years ago we had a serial rapist in our fair city-his target-the women's dorm buildings-see the girls living there had a habit of propping open the security door so they didn't have to look for their keys when coming home drunk, they also didn't bother locking their room doors, even after the rapes started-every victim when asked why they didn't lock their doors even after specific instructions to do so by campus police, gave the same answer-"I didn't think it would happen to me"


Yes there are bad people out there-but you don't have to make it easy for them to make you a victim by doing very stupid things-and yes getting drunk and walking home alone is incredibly stupid.

[BroomJockey]

I don't see any "screaming it out as fact" I see Bill O'reilly giving an opinion-that a girl drunk at two in the morning in a bad area of town was raped and murdered-had she not made the decision to let down her guard by getting drunk she might not have been murdered.

I dunno, that reads more to me as "it's her fault."

"“And if a young woman, 18-year-old Jennifer Moore of Harrington Park, NJ, didn’t get drunk, she’d be alive today.”"

She took X action, it had Y result. If she didn't do X, Y wouldn't have happened. It's her fault she got drunk. She got herself killed. This is not a stretch to read that from his comment. Why not "if there'd been more police in the area?" Or "if there'd been better public transit?" Because he was pushing his agenda, same as every other talking-head, regardless of affiliation.

[BlaqueKatt]

She took X action, it had Y result. If she didn't do X, Y wouldn't have happened. It's her fault she got drunk. She got herself killed. This is not a stretch to read that from his comment.

He was doing a program on the dangers of getting drunk-the possibility of rape is one of the dangers. And it's still merely an opinion he's not "screaming it out as fact"(the only myth that would even come close to applying to this case would be women who dress in a certain manner are "asking for it" which was never said or implied except by the writer of the story) as the person who posted the link claims-and the writer of the article claims O'Rielly implied it was her way of dressing that she should've expected to be raped-which was not the case at all.

"Our post — which never criticized the Alexa Foundation — highlighted the fact that in the past, O’Reilly has implied that women who dress in a certain way or consume too much alcohol should perhaps expect to be raped."

where did he imply that-plus if you read further details of the story her rapist/murderer was a cab driver on duty, her car was towed and in her drunken state decided to walk through a bad section of town-would she have made that decision sober-most likely not.


Seriously my point is the myths are not caused by "GOP pundits screaming it out as fact"-Mr O'rielly was stating his opinion on the matter.

[the_std]

"Our post — which never criticized the Alexa Foundation — highlighted the fact that in the past, O’Reilly has implied that women who dress in a certain way or consume too much alcohol should perhaps expect to be raped.".

Hold up. Expect to be raped? No one should ever expect to be raped, and the way they dress or the amount of alcohol they consume should never lead them to expect to be raped!

That statement is so completely blaming the victim that it hurts my head.

[BlaqueKatt]

That statement is so completely blaming the victim that it hurts my head.

Pay attention-the ONLY person that said that was the person trying to discredit Mr. O'rielly -he never said or implied anything-other than drunkenness is dangerous


I may not like Mr. O'rielly(can't stand the man-he makes me cringe) but I will not claim he implied what he did not. But then the writer is from a group that has a tagline of "exposing the conservative media agenda"