"Rolemodels" - do we have higher expectations?

[Slytovhand]

So, there's a thread about some sports star who did a bad, and it's suggested his punishment is too high.

Paris got caught doing drugs, and it's suggested her jailterm was too short... (ok, this does pre-suppose she should be called a 'role model'... )

So - how should the law handle such rolemodels - higher punishments because of the bad example they're setting?

Less punishment because they are (contentiously) doing something for the community?

Treated exactly the same as any other person?

(Please, bear this in mind... once Blas makes it through the finals and becomes Ms Carp-Rock 2009, she'll then be internationally famous, and thus, can be considered a role model, too! )

[AdminAssistant]

To quote George Carlin:

"If you're a parent, and your kid needs a role model, and you ain't it - you're fucked"

It's not the responsibility of celebrities, actors, sports stars, etc. to modify their behavior because 'the children may be watching', and they should be charged as if they were not famous at all. Just like any other person.

[blas87]

I would hardly consider myself a role model, as flattering as you may be, Slyt you know I loves ya

I'm pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment, pro-death penalty, pro-gay marriage and equal treatment......I highly doubt anyone would look up to me. Not many CSers and Fratchers do.

[Flyndaran]

I would hardly consider myself a role model, as flattering as you may be, Slyt you know I loves ya

I'm pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment, pro-death penalty, pro-gay marriage and equal treatment......I highly doubt anyone would look up to me. Not many CSers and Fratchers do.

I'm pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment, pro-gay marriage and equal treatment. I only differ in being against the death penalty.

[BlaqueKatt]

I highly doubt anyone would look up to me. Not many CSers and Fratchers do.

I may not agree with you on everything, but you have good arguments, and you voice your opinion(and back it up) on here. We may disagree on some things-but I don't hold that against you-no one agrees about everything and if they say they do-well I believe it just hasn't come up yet-maybe it's something trivial about how towels should be folded, or the order in which dishes should be washed(sans dishwasher), or even the dreaded(insert ominous music here-dun dun dun....)toilet paper debate(should the roll face out or in)

[Slytovhand]

Ummm - I'm pro-choice, (what's the second ammendment???), gay-marriage..yeah, tbh it has nothing to do with me, but I don't see a real problem with it, so pro- I suppose, and treatment...hmmmmm...

When humans learn to take complete responsibility for their actions, a lot of things will change - such as all those things mentioned above.


And, when we get to that stage, the toilet roll will hang from behind, because it's much easier to pull out - not when it's coming over the top to the front!

(oh, and you never wash the pots and pans before the other stuff! It makes the water all messy, and is harder to stack on top of them).

Oh, and Pro-Blas - Rock Carp Chick, 2009!

[powerboy]

they should be charged as if they were not famous at all. Just like any other person.

That is it right there. Celebs should be charged the same as someone who is not famous. Kids will see that some celeb just robbed a bank and killed the president and he only got a week in jail. The kid does the same, because he favorite celebs done it and only got a week. It is BS that if you are famous, that you will get less jail time, then someone who done the same thing that is not famous

[blas87]

The second amendment is the right to bear arms....and I don't mean wear tanktops.

Oh and Katt, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you But I will have to say, dishwashers should be illegal and the toilet paper roll belongs on the side of the sink :P

[McDreidel09]

I would hardly consider myself a role model, as flattering as you may be, Slyt you know I loves ya

I'm pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment, pro-death penalty, pro-gay marriage and equal treatment......I highly doubt anyone would look up to me. Not many CSers and Fratchers do.

I look up to you Blas. You are a hardworking woman, who puts up with more crap than she should and you handle it so well.

Why do you think that you're my big sister?

[blas87]

Aw....group hug!

Just what I need before I go to work....speaking of which.....*cries*

[DGoddess]

I would hardly consider myself a role model, as flattering as you may be, Slyt you know I loves ya

I'm pro-choice, pro-2nd amendment, pro-death penalty, pro-gay marriage and equal treatment......I highly doubt anyone would look up to me. Not many CSers and Fratchers do.

We must be twins separated by roughly 20 years then.

I do agree with a woman's right to choose (although I wouldn't have an abortion myself, I still think that's a decision best left up to the individual woman and her doctor)

If you want to bear arms, then fine by me. The right to do so has always been there and I don't think it should be tampered with

Gay marriage? Okay, I can go for that too. I think that falls under the category of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Death penalty? I don't think it's used enough. Texas has the right idea: they put in an Express Lane (to hear Tater Salad describe it.) Too bad my state won't do the same.

And I'm all for Equal rights. No matter if you're male, female, transgendered, or what color your skin is . . . I was taught that everybody was equal in God's eyes. And I think His view on that is good enough for me.

But feeling unpopular on CS? I honestly can't say I've ever felt that way. If someone doesn't agree with my views, that's perfectly okay. We're all entitled to our opinions.

Remember: opinions are like assholes: everybody has one.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I'm pro choice and pro life, I think people have the right to choose things and I think people have the right to live. Oh, abortion? yeah, that's their decision. I'd like it if people would stop hiding behind alternative wording though.

2nd amendment = awesome. Because in the event that America becomes a 'moral' country with no freedom I will be helping the freedom fighters. Oh and the muggers with knives can say hi to my 9.

Gay marriage. Well, if there's straight marriage, then there's gay marriage. That was easy.

Death penalty? why not. just make sure you have the right guy damn it.

Equal rights is supposed to be the basis of this country, so I'm pro anything that helps us achieve this.

And since we do have equal rights, that means everyone is treated the same. I don't give a damn if you're famous. I'm tired of (and this is only directed of those guilty of it) 'soccer moms' trying to foist nanny-ship on our entire society because they can't be bothered to teach their children about the world themselves.

[blas87]

But back on topic here, do I think celebrities and famous people should be considered role models?

Actually, not really.

I don't think celebrities have any right to complain about being photographed in public or not getting enough private time.......while at the same time, I don't think they need to be flat out stalked and huge deals being made of them eating at McDonalds or buying cigarettes or partying at a club.

I mean, when everyone was on the "Brit is crazy!" train, I swear, every fucking night on TMZ, it was "Guess what? We caught Britney in the Taco Bell drive thru!" Really? Wow. That's a story there!

Or, "Katherine Heigl claims to be quitting smoking, but we see her on this patio at a restaurant lighting up!" Oh big fucking deal.

They are people, just like us. They eat fast food. Some drink, some smoke. They also poop and pee, just like we do. And a lot of them even fart!

While I have openly mocked celebs losing their cool, like Christian Bale throwing a huge mantrum, at the same time....how many average joes and janes, every day, lose it and go fricken bananas in their own home or even out in public or at work? Everyone does it.

[AdminAssistant]

The Christian Bale thing actually pissed off a lot of my friends. The guy he was yelling at so unprofessionally was the director of photography, in my world that's the equivalent of the lighting designer = some of the hardest working folks in the business. Besides, he's the one making sure the actors look good. You really want to bitch him out because he 'distracted' you? What the fuck ever man, get over yourself, you're not that good. Anyway.

[BroomJockey]

But back on topic here, do I think celebrities and famous people should be considered role models?

Actually, not really.

I don't think celebrities have any right to complain about being photographed in public or not getting enough private time.......while at the same time, I don't think they need to be flat out stalked and huge deals being made of them eating at McDonalds or buying cigarettes or partying at a club.

I think it depends on what someone's famous for. Actors? Usually not. Most actors are famous for being one of the "beautiful people." It's like saying a supermodel should be a role model. It's a genetic lottery. The ones who make a big deal out of their humanitarian efforts aren't really to be lauded either. It's possible to do the work and not have a big deal made of it. When it's played up, it just feels like a PR move. Right thing for the wrong reason.

Singers? No, not really. They sing really good. That's fine if you wanna be a singer, but that doesn't exactly make them someone to emulate in the rest of your life.

Pro athletes? Again, they're good at one thing. This doesn't make them someone to model your life on.

Famous for being famous? They self-destruct all the time, pass.

If it's someone like Stephen Hawking, I have no problems with him being a role model. He overcame a disability and went on to prominence in his field. Police and firefighters risk their lives for the betterment of others.

Moving on to the second point, I agree some more! (I feel like a yes-man, sheesh). Famous people in the past were able to keep private lives. The media had boundaries. They didn't constantly stalk people to find them doing one thing newsworthy, but at the same time, the celebrities didn't go out of their way to invite the media in. Even today, there's well-known actors that you never hear anything about, because they're able to keep their lives to themselves.