Punishment in Schools

[Greenday]

So if you want to continue referring to people who are Neurodiverse as "speshul" then I should be able to continue referring to you as Neurotypical right? Why should I stop using what you consider a demeaning term, when you refuse to do so on your end?

He was not referring to all neuroatypicals as having special snowflake syndrome. Just people who are neuroatypical that try to use it as an excuse for everything. You are completely misunderstanding what he said.

In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of a show where people with mental issues are regularly mocked.

South Park

[DesignFox]

South Park

South Park mocks EVERYBODY. No one is safe from ridicule on that show.

[BroomJockey]

South Park

As DesignFox said, I don't think they really count…. They kinda go out of their way to beat on everyone. I'd be more offended if they *never* picked on my group. After all, if South Park's afraid to go after your group, I think that's really saying something.

[Flyndaran]

He was not referring to all neuroatypicals as having special snowflake syndrome. Just people who are neuroatypical that try to use it as an excuse for everything. You are completely misunderstanding what he said.
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That's what I thought, and I'm horribly obtuse.
Seriously, there will always be a portion of any group that are jerks that lord over others their personal problems as much worse than anyone else's.

[guywithashovel]

I'm glad in fact that I wasn't at school when the Columbine shootings happened, cuz I was publically a huge Manson fan, and I bet I would have been made a scapegoat; despite the fact that there wasn't really a connection. -.-

I was in eleventh grade when Columbine happened, and I had a friend who liked Manson. He also liked to wear black leather jackets and look "goth" on occasion. He was made into a scapegoat.

There was a big rumor all over the school that he had a "hit list" of students he didn't like, and that he was planning on giving those students the Harris and Klebold treatment. Several of his closest friends were investigated, too. I never was, but then again, I wasn't into a lot of the stuff he was into.

[violetyoshi]

He was not referring to all neuroatypicals as having special snowflake syndrome. Just people who are neuroatypical that try to use it as an excuse for everything. You are completely misunderstanding what he said.

That's like saying if someone calls a Black person the N word, it's okay, because they use racism as an excuse for everything.

[BroomJockey]

That's like saying if someone calls a Black person the N word, it's okay, because they use racism as an excuse for everything.

No, actually, it's like calling someone an entitlement whore when they use the race card all the time.

[violetyoshi]

No, actually, it's like calling someone an entitlement whore when they use the race card all the time.

So then what would make you happy? For people who have conditions like Asperger's Syndrome to pretend they're normal, and don't have problems?

[BroomJockey]

For people who have conditions like Asperger's Syndrome to pretend they're normal, and don't have problems?

No, for them to work on their problems, and not just say "Sorry I can't behave, I have a disease."

[the_std]

No, for them to work on their problems, and not just say "Sorry I can't behave, I have a disease."

And not try to blame the world for not accommodating their every need.

[Boozy]

I guess the issue is this: To what extent is someone with Asperger's able to "work on their problems"? This is a genuine question, as I really don't know much about Asperger's. As with any disability, I assume that there are therapies that someone may find helpful, but as far as I know, there's no cure.

I don't tell my physically disabled sister to just "try harder" when confronted with a flight of stairs.

[BroomJockey]

I don't tell my physically disabled sister to just "try harder" when confronted with a flight of stairs.

Does your sister ever use the phrase "You can't understand, you're not disabled!"? Does your sister ever use her disability as an excuse to not attempt something which technically shouldn't have any relation to her problem?
If your sister finds a building that's not 100% accommodating, due to some reason, does she bitch out the staff for not knowing she has a problem, and they're not accommodating her properly?

Or does your sister attempt to explain her problems?
Does she know her limitations and work within them, and constantly maybe push herself a little bit further than she'd normally go?
Does she approach those staff and inform them of the issues, and then either work around it to the best of her ability, or just not get in to that situation again as possible?

Even if she doesn't do the second set in full or part, I'm willing to bet she doesn't do the first set at all.

[Boozy]

I see what you're driving at now. Of course she understands that people don't always know the nature of her limitations, so she'll speak up if she needs some help.

That is where physical disabilities are different from neurological ones. I have to assume that people with Asperger's don't always know when there is a problem. They can't tell if they're offending someone, so they don't always know when to speak up.

[BroomJockey]

I see what you're driving at now. Of course she understands that people don't always know the nature of her limitations, so she'll speak up if she needs some help.

Yep. Any time someone uses the phrase "You can't understand," I ask myself "Have you tried explaining? In a reasonable, informed, polite manner?"

Or as has been noted on CS: If you keep getting crappy service everywhere, and everyone's always rude, well, there is a common denominator. Maybe it's time to check that. People with AS still have feelings and thinking abilities. After all, they're people. If they keep having issues, maybe figuring out why is the key. If someone keeps getting offended, ask why! It's just like being from a different culture. If you don't innately know why it's rude, ask. If people are consistently rude to you, try educating them on why it's rude if you're the activist sort, or figure out if you're simply misinterpreting them. After all, one part of AS is sometimes the inability to read social cues, maybe you're misreading that cue? Heck, neurotypicals misread moods and intentions all the time. We figure out what we did wrong, file that away for future edification, and move on.

[violetyoshi]

No, for them to work on their problems, and not just say "Sorry I can't behave, I have a disease."

Feeling pain when you here a sudden loud noise, isn't a matter of not being able to behave, it's feeling pain from a stimulus where most other people do not.

Learning to not act out in pain, when you hear that stimulus is a sign of working on a problem.

I've seen far worse behavior from non-diseased people, than I have from people who are considered diseased.

I guess the issue is this: To what extent is someone with Asperger's able to "work on their problems"? This is a genuine question, as I really don't know much about Asperger's. As with any disability, I assume that there are therapies that someone may find helpful, but as far as I know, there's no cure.

I don't tell my physically disabled sister to just "try harder" when confronted with a flight of stairs.

Exactly Boozy, and if your disorder isn't seen, it's always considered a matter of you being imperfect as a person, not considering that you have challenges to overcome that are different from the majority of people, that are made only more difficult by those who refuse to believe they exist. Or that such behaviors are attention seeking behaviors.

When everyday becomes a matter of survival, being constantly overwhelmed by the cruelty of others too intolerant to understand, it's easy to become someone who will lash out defensively at them. I was in this situation in high school. I did the proper thing, I asked teachers for help, and I was blamed for my own victimization.

Seems some people here feel I should have just given up, and resigned to considering myself as a defected person.