Punishment in Schools

[DesignFox]

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I've seen far worse behavior from non-diseased people, than I have from people who are considered diseased.

Yea, and we call those people out on their bad behavior, too. Just sayin'. Doesn't matter if you have a disability, personality disorder or not.

The world doesn't center around you. Or me. Or BroomJockey. Or Boozy. Or any one person for that matter.

There are certain things that we as individuals need to do to adapt ourselves to the rest of society. Just because I'm short, I don't expect my family to tear down all the cabinets and furniture so that everything is within reach. I go get myself a step stool to grab shit off the top shelf. Ya know?

[BroomJockey]

Feeling pain when you here a sudden loud noise, isn't a matter of not being able to behave, it's feeling pain from a stimulus where most other people do not.

Most people do feel pain from a sudden, loud noise. They just don't freak out about it. Flinching is not a disruptive behaviour. If you're actively freaking out, develop a coping mechanism. Use a mantra to calm your mind. Or wear earplugs. There's quite a few that you can get that will still allow you to hear the basics of what's going on around you. From experience, if you get a more expensive pair, you can hear what people are saying, still, too.

After all, do you *really* want this to be a world where every time you have an episode due to pain of a loud noise, someone goes, "Oh, don't mind her, she's just got Asperger's," and no one expects anything of you, since your "disease" limits strictly what you're capable of?

[Flyndaran]

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Seems some people here feel I should have just given up, and resigned to considering myself as a defected person.

Where did you read anything of the sort? I haven't read any.
I only hear people suggesting getting help coping. No one has said to just give up.
I have emotional handicaps, but I demand nothing more from strangers than I would from myself when dealing with people.

[violetyoshi]

Where did you read anything of the sort? I haven't read any.
I only hear people suggesting getting help coping. No one has said to just give up.
I have emotional handicaps, but I demand nothing more from strangers than I would from myself when dealing with people.

I think you forgot what this originally was about, not strangers, teachers and school punishment. When you know someone as a teacher in school, they're no longer a stranger.

[shroo]

I think you forgot what this originally was about, not strangers, teachers and school punishment. When you know someone as a teacher in school, they're no longer a stranger.

And before you enter a teacher's classroom they have your IEP/504 accomodation information.
My student with Aspergers was given a little wiggle room when it came to talking out of turn.
My student with CP was allowed to come to class as late as she needed to, same with my student with a blood disease.
One of my students was very very sick when she was in middle school--if she needed to up and leave for the nurse she could. No questions asked (except for a discreet phone call to the nurse's office, making sure she found her way).
I had another student who just had a problem with authority figures, but if he was contributing to class and not trying to stage a mutiny I let him take the reigns a bit.
Hell, I had a fourteen year old who didn't know how to fucking read, and since he was so anxious about it when it came time to read outloud in class I made sure to never call on him, as long as he raised his hand now and again to answer questions and the like.

So yeah, we* know you. Maybe you just don't notice the leeway given in some areas, but not others. Trust me--teachers try to treat all students equally (unless you're an ass to me day in and day out--then you get zero sympathy), when we* can't do that adjustments are made, but we* try to do it so that your unique situation is not brought to attention, especially to the attention of your peers.



*"we" meaning the teachers who actually give a shit about the job and try to ensure a safe and fun learning environment.

[violetyoshi]

*MOD EDIT due to excessive quoting. ~Please edit quotes.

*"we" meaning the teachers who actually give a shit about the job and try to ensure a safe and fun learning environment.

You mean the teachers who were not in my school.

[shroo]

Exactly, because obviously every single teacher in your school was out to get you.

[AdminAssistant]

Fact is, K-12 teachers are under-trained. Put it this way...if I wanted to teach high school biology (just as an example), I would have to have a Bachelor's degree in education. Not even any specific training in biology. If I wanted to teach an Intro to Biology course at a university, I'd need to have a Ph.D. or a Master's and connections. But schools are desperate for teachers, and so they're taking whatever they can get. And, I'm gonna say it, a lot of people do it for the shorter hours and summers off, not because of the joy they get teaching children.

Add to that the complete and total clusterf*ck that is the public school system in the US, and, well, you got problems. I mean, that's one of the main reasons that I only want to teach at the university level; I don't want to deal with the public system. (Well, that and all the teenage drama queens and stage mothers *shudder*).

Teachers need better training. Schools need a better system. Parents need to get involved with their child's education. And kids need to be taught better coping mechanisms, so that they can handle being in the classroom with the other kids.

[Nyoibo]

See in Australia it's a bit different, you get your bachelors degree in something, then you do the diploma of education, makes you a bit more knowledgable on your subject.

[violetyoshi]

*MOD EDIT due to excessive quoting~Please edit quotes.


Teachers need better training. Schools need a better system. Parents need to get involved with their child's education. And kids need to be taught better coping mechanisms, so that they can handle being in the classroom with the other kids.

Finally, someone who makes sense, instead of blindly attacking anyone who doesn't give in to the idea that they should pretend their issues don't exist.

[the_std]

Finally, someone who makes sense, instead of blindly attacking anyone who doesn't give in to the idea that they should pretend their issues don't exist.

No one here has said you should just ignore your problems, or pretend they don't exist. We are saying you should work with your problems and take responsibility for them, not blame everyone but yourself for the way you are. Major difference.

[AdminAssistant]

No one here has said you should just ignore your problems, or pretend they don't exist. We are saying you should work with your problems and take responsibility for them, not blame everyone but yourself for the way you are. Major difference.

Exactly. Now a young child is one thing, since they may not understand why they're different from everyone else. But once you get to Jr. High/High School, you should have developed methods for coping in a regular classroom with the assistance of teachers, counselors, etc.

I don't think laying blame does any good, and I don't want anyone to think I'm laying blame on teachers, administration, or the students. But, looking at the situation and circumstances, there need to be changes all around.

[violetyoshi]

No one here has said you should just ignore your problems, or pretend they don't exist. We are saying you should work with your problems and take responsibility for them, not blame everyone but yourself for the way you are. Major difference.

I don't understand where you get the idea I'm blaming others for the way I am. I simply was BORN different. It wasn't the fault of anyone. I simply don't feel I should have to apologize for being different. Or trying to go out of my way to make my differences easier for others. I'm sorry if that irks you.

[Flyndaran]

I think you forgot what this originally was about, not strangers, teachers and school punishment. When you know someone as a teacher in school, they're no longer a stranger.

The first post was purely about detention.. so your topic was just as much an issue of thread drift as mine.

I don't understand where you get the idea I'm blaming others for the way I am. I simply was BORN different. It wasn't the fault of anyone. I simply don't feel I should have to apologize for being different. Or trying to go out of my way to make my differences easier for others. I'm sorry if that irks you.

Of course teachers should give some leniency toward those with special needs, but that just leads to an issue of how much leniency exactly.
I've seen some streamlined kids that should never have been placed there. Giving in to them would short shaft everyone else in the class, and that's not fair either.
Also, stop taking everything personally. No on has attacked you, only some of your ideas.

[Nyoibo]

Or trying to go out of my way to make my differences easier for others.

Yet you expect others to make things easier for you? Why should they?