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    66 year old woman who gave birth after IVF dies at age 69-her twin boys are now orphans at age 2

    quote from the woman after giving birth:
    "I think everyone should become a mother at the right time for them," Bousada told the paper. "Often circumstances put you between a rock and a hard place, and maybe things shouldn't have been done in the way they were done, but that was the only way to achieve the thing I had always dreamed of, and I did it," she said.

    She lied to the clinic about her age, and due to her selfishness, there is now no one to care for her children-she sold her house to pay for the IVF-so these kids have nothing now-how is that fair to them. She claimed that since her own mother lived to be 101, she would too.

    supposedly she was diagnosed with cancer shortly after giving birth.
    Last edited by BlaqueKatt; 07-15-2009, 04:31 PM.
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    Why would the fertility clinics think twice about it? They still got paid, didn't they?
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    • #3
      Most doctors have this thing called "ethics." Not necessarily because they want to, but because there's medical ethics review boards.
      Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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      • #4
        Well, I think in our other threads we covered how ethical many of these IVF doctors are....

        Look at that doctor that implanted 8 embryoes for octo-mom.

        It's not like a lack of ethics is limited to doctors in other parts of the world...

        Oh, not to mention the people who think that reproducing is a "right" that everyone is entitled to...regardless of circumstance.

        EDIT:

        I happen to also LOOOVE the comment "...civil society will help these children." Gee. Thanks. Because of one person's irresponsibility, now I've got to foot the bill? Awesome. (of course, what choice does society have?)

        Before anyone gets on my case- I know those kids didn't have a choice in the matter. Which is why society won't turn their backs on them. But I find it despicable that people take that attitude. "Oh, no problem. The rest of the world will take care of it for me!"
        Last edited by DesignFox; 07-15-2009, 07:04 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DesignFox View Post
          Well, I think in our other threads we covered how ethical many of these IVF doctors are....

          Look at that doctor that implanted 8 embryoes for octo-mom.
          Which shows the medical community's internal oversight needs to take a look at this type of thing. After all, you don't see cosmetic surgeons doing things like giving lipo and boob jobs to 12 year olds, even though there'd be money in doing it. The medical community just has to look at the picture and say "The dangers of this situation are not worth it. Do it and you'll be blackballed."
          Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BroomJockey View Post
            After all, you don't see cosmetic surgeons doing things like giving lipo and boob jobs to 12 year olds, even though there'd be money in doing it.
            http://www.aboardcertifiedplasticsur...ants/teen.html

            Really? Teens that aren't adults aren't getting implants? It's happening all the time (well, not all the time but you get my drift). I don't think it's quite ethical but it's definitely still happening.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Greenday View Post
              Teens that aren't adults aren't getting implants? I
              Not seeing an age range in there. 12 is not 16. 16 IS under 18. I'd say a 16 year old is old enough.
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              • #8
                At 16 many girls are still developing. If they are ignoring this, than I don't think they really have the capability to make a solid decision.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DesignFox View Post
                  Well, I think in our other threads we covered how ethical many of these IVF doctors are....

                  Look at that doctor that implanted 8 embryoes for octo-mom.

                  It's not like a lack of ethics is limited to doctors in other parts of the world...
                  From my understanding of that type of fertility treatment, everyone gets implanted with multiple embryoes because most don't take.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by anriana View Post
                    From my understanding of that type of fertility treatment, everyone gets implanted with multiple embryoes because most don't take.
                    But not 8. The technology is getting so good that the probability of each one sticking has gotten much higher.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                      At 16 many girls are still developing. If they are ignoring this, than I don't think they really have the capability to make a solid decision.
                      Legally, with their parents' consent, they can articulate the desire and the reasons behind it, so a doc is ethically clear in doing this. If you can show me a doc doing it for cosmetic reasons to a 12 year old, then I'll re-evaluate my position. And lose a lot of faith in humanity.
                      Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by anriana View Post
                        From my understanding of that type of fertility treatment, everyone gets implanted with multiple embryoes because most don't take.
                        She already had *SIX* kids. Not to mention the fact that she's on disability benefits and can barely afford to take care of the first six...

                        As for teen breast implants. I'm appalled. Unless there is a serious abnormality that causes the young person undue physical or emotional trauma, I don't agree with that at all. I remember reading one article in Teen magazine some 12 or so years ago about a young girl who had abnormal breast development that caused one breast to grow and appear normal, while the other one was basically just a nipple...In a severe case like that, I could see having augmentation as an option. Or the case of a friend of mine whose breasts were so large for her body type that she experienced serious back pain- she had reduction surgery (but I think she was 18 by then, she was either just about to graduate high school or early in her college years...I don't remember).
                        Last edited by DesignFox; 07-15-2009, 08:01 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlaqueKatt View Post
                          supposedly she was diagnosed with cancer shortly after giving birth.

                          the woman's age aside, this could happen to anyone. should the fertility clinic think twice about providing treatment if a 28-year-old is diagnosed with cancer shortly after giving birth?

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                          • #14
                            And this is news why?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by linguist View Post
                              the woman's age aside, this could happen to anyone. should the fertility clinic think twice about providing treatment if a 28-year-old is diagnosed with cancer shortly after giving birth?
                              Certain types of cancer are more likely in certain age brackets, and most of them have genetic markers indicating predisposition. I'd say that it would be irresponsible of them to do anything without those tests.
                              Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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