maybe now fertility clincs will think twice

[BroomJockey]

I'm not better than anything or anyone. I'm trying to say that emotions are not within our complete control. Only our actions can be controlled. I'm sorry that I can properly convey that to your satisfaction.


It's hard enough to reist our baser urgers. But when the only objections are based on the non-existant rights of potential fetuses... I don't consider it a failing to make such a personal choice. It's a little too close to an ad hominem for my tastes.

Ad hominem? Are you sure you're using that correctly? Because that really only counts if you're using it against an individual.

Further, if our actions can be controlled, then the urge to procreate can be completely controlled, and there's no excuse for doing so to a person's own detriment. So again, I ask, why is this so okay with you to NOT control?

Lastly, did you just like, completely miss the rest of my arguments? The rights of a non-existent person didn't even figure in to what I was saying, so it's not the only objection. The arguments were: someone bankrupting themselves to do it, someone doing it when they're in poor health and putting her life at risk, and society having to take care of any potential kids. The kid's rights don't really enter in to that.

[DesignFox]

Why shouldn't everyone have the right to seek elective medical treatment? Nearly all elective surgeries are not really needed and therefore increase thier risk of death or disease. <snip>

But other elective surgeries don't necessarily negatively impact the lives of others.

Getting a boob job doesn't create a new life while at the same time creating the risk of that life being abandoned to the rest of society.

If a woman on welfare has no children, but scrapes her nickles and dimes together for a nose job, I wouldn't say that's right because she's still impacting the rest of us she's sponging off of...but at least she isn't denying a baby her care because she's too old to raise it properly, or can't afford to feed it because she went into debt just to give birth.

People can do whatever they want when it comes down to it. But people like me are tired of having to clean up the messes they create when they only think of themselves and not the life or lives they are recklessly creating.

I'm only asking people to use their common sense and have a sense of courtesy for their fellow human beings.

The "oh well, society will take care of it!" attitude kills me.