Zeitgeist

[Mindflayer]

For those that don't know. Look up up the movies "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist: Addendum". They are public domain movies that talk about very sensitive topics especially in the US, They go after Religion, Banking, and the 9/11 attacks... very informative, and well produced.
(Like I said, they are public domain, and the creators of the film actually ENCOURAGE people to download the movie, so feel free to use torrents or whatever to get these films)


Ok, this is a pretty open topic, given the fact that the films talk about a lot of things. However, I haven't seen a topic on these forums that directly looks at these films, and I was wondering what everyone's opinion on them was.


Personally, I love them, and yes, I believe them. They're straight forward, they present a lot of evidence, and they make a whole lot of sense.

I can completely see the government doing EXACTLY what they say they are doing, even the fact that the 9/11 attacks were staged, and that banking is nothing more than a system of debt (which, if you listen closely, even the 'economists" are admitting at this point).

Just curious what other people think.

[Boozy]

I'll get around to downloading those just as soon as I find my tinfoil hat. Should be around here somewhere....

[BlaqueKatt]

I can completely see the government doing EXACTLY what they say they are doing, even the fact that the 9/11 attacks were staged,

Popular mechanics would like a word


To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.

[joe hx]

another popular 9/11 conspiracy film is Loose Change
each update they have is actually to remove info that was proved wrong

[tabbyblack13]

I'll get around to downloading those just as soon as I find my tinfoil hat. Should be around here somewhere....

I will downloading after Boozy. After all you don't know who came up with this website. *looks suspiciously at the wall clock*

[Mindflayer]

Well you can get em here: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

That's their official site, and no it's not all conspiracy theories. They actually have information from experts and stuff too.

[Slytovhand]

I haven't seen Zeitgeist, but I have seen about 9 of 13 parts to a similar one - and I don't recall its name right now .

Now, since I haven't seen that one (Z), I'll only make some general comments. Firstly, I presume (without knowing) that it doesn't discuss how 9/11 happened - only who was actually involved. I'm ok with that! I started up the Conspiracy Theory thread because I believe that.. and will til my dying day! Some quite rich, powerful and 'influential' people have become significantly more rich, powerful and influential because of what's happened after it! Those people had the ability, and certainly if we take into account what they've since gotten out of it, the motive.

As for some of the more esoteric aspects of what I did see... hmmmmm.... I'll pass comment for the most part, but will just say that I can see a logical plan to pass power and influence down the chain, and to teach people how to use it. After all, if you find yourself on a good thing, wouldn't you share it with your most loved and treasured?? And when you're the main influence in their life, that's what they're most likely to follow.

Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.

Absolutely! And, when we see that, then I'll take a look! PM offered theories!, only.... and refuted various claims. I didn't see one 'irrefutable fact' in their story! Only another lot of claim/counter-claim.

One thing I do know... no neutral, internationally backed full investigation has taken place. (I say 'internationally backed' because there are currently Australian troops who have been shot at because of the backlash this has caused..surely we have a right to know what happened then as well?? And no, I don't trust the US government to do it right... nor any of their agencies). It took years (and railroading) and bugger all was given to the 'official' investigation to make it pretty much a complete and utter waste of time and effort anyway... much less was spent on the official investigation than normally gets spent on any standard aircraft crash... that, to me, raises a flag.

(btw, while we will obviously disagree with regards to the truth and facts of the matter, just labelling something a 'conspiracy theory' doesn't automatically mean it gets wiped as being rational or accurate).


As for the Masonic symbols on the US currency... that's just weird shit!

[Flyndaran]

I, of course, will always attribute more to incompetence than malice.
That's why I as well as many others will always take conspiracy theories with a grain of salt.