No shoes, no service...for a baby?

[Rapscallion]

So I see you've also have had experience with parents who behave more like children?

Plenty of tales of that on CS.com...

Rapscallion

[Slytovhand]

I love coming into debates late....

Anyway, I don't recall anywhere mentioned about "No sock, no shoes... for those that can walk".

All the discussions on here have been about (for the most part) people who can walk, and the hygiene for that .. and safety precautions. What if it's a hot coffee that gets spilt onto the baby's feet?? Then there'd be all hell to pay! (by the church group...)

Granted, 'flip flops' (... thongs sounds much better! ) would still be silly... at least there's a better chance to make the individual responsible... (HA!)

Also, the manager said that the order was to go, due to health regulations. The customer wanted to argue with the manager... and when the manager said that they need to leave for enforcing health regulations, she refused and argued. Since she was refusing to leave, for a perfectly legal reason, yes, calling the cops would make sense (though, a tad extreme... although, obviously pointing out that we don't know how she really acted in this scenario...)

[DesignFox]

<snip> You can either follow the rules, or you can throw a massive tantrum and whine, "But it's not fair!" every time you come accross a Health & Safety code you don't like.

And when the restaurant caves and breaks code, sue the hell out of them when you get sick from the food.

I think the situation in the OP was a bit extreme, but unfortunately, if someone asks you to follow a rule, you have to follow it or leave.

I mean, I think it's kind of ridiculous to require *shoes* for a baby's feet, I would think socks would be acceptable. But just because I don't agree with the rule, wouldn't give me the right to ignore it. If someone cited health reasons at me, I'd comply...or leave!

[AdminAssistant]

Besides, who wouldn't want to dress their baby in shoes? Have you seen baby shoes? They're adorable!! (My nephew had these little "cowboy boots" that were just the cutest damn things ever).

Ahem. Yeah, just because you let your child go around in bare feet doesn't mean you are exempt from the rules of an establishment.

[violetyoshi]

I don't think she acted like a child at all. What examples do you have, and by that I mean direct quotes and not your impression of what she's saying, to give you that impression?
There's only one quote in there that mentions what she said to the manager, and it was not rude, it was not entitled. She was definitely direct, but being direct does not necessarily equal rude. And that particular remark was after the manager had been being pretty snide to her.

I was thinking about this. This woman wasn't acting entitled, she reported this story TO THE NEWS. It's news that mommy couldn't gaga with baby at the restaurant! Everyone should have to know how mommy is martyred for her baby, and shunned by all!

[Flyndaran]

I was thinking about this. This woman wasn't acting entitled, she reported this story TO THE NEWS. It's news that mommy couldn't gaga with baby at the restaurant! Everyone should have to know how mommy is martyred for her baby, and shunned by all!

The media regularly makes mountains out of mole hills and mole hills out of mountains. Telling them what could be misinterpreted as an attack on "THE CHILDREN" is giving meat to a starving lion; not likely to be judged on merit or taste.

[violetyoshi]

The media regularly makes mountains out of mole hills and mole hills out of mountains. Telling them what could be misinterpreted as an attack on "THE CHILDREN" is giving meat to a starving lion; not likely to be judged on merit or taste.

And this mother knew that. This is why people are afraid to tell parents that their children should be made to behave, they might find their business next day in the paper associated with being mean to children.

[AFPheonix]

I was thinking about this. This woman wasn't acting entitled, she reported this story TO THE NEWS. It's news that mommy couldn't gaga with baby at the restaurant! Everyone should have to know how mommy is martyred for her baby, and shunned by all!

Sometimes news media can find you if they come across your story on a bulletin board or elsewhere. She didn't necessarily have to be the one to contact them.
When I won an award that few others had gotten when I was in 4-H, I was contacted by the local paper. I did not initiate contact. When the local papers wanted to do a piece on the county fair, they asked my niece if they could follow her around. She did not initiate contact.
The article said that the story had been going around facebook. Chances are, a reporter saw it there and ran with the story.

Broomjockey- she did comply with the request. The grandmother took the baby out, the mom came back in with socks on the baby. Shoes for kids that little aren't going to be much more than socks anyways, they tend to be booties more than anything. Health Code was upheld.

[violetyoshi]

Look all she had to do was be satisfied with complying. Not go on a wronged mommy fueled rant on Facebook, or given the news the right to make a story on her situation. More parents should learn to understand that the world doesn't come to an end when someone denies a baby their assumed rights.

If anything, I would hope parents admonished this mother, for allowing her little issue to become such a big deal. It makes parents who don't turn every little wrong supposedly aimed towards their child, into something to throw a huge fit over, look bad.

[AFPheonix]

There were also the 25 or so other people in their group who managed to witness the whole event, I'm sure they chattered a bit too.
Dude, if I had something like that happen to me, I'd probably make a status post about it too. It was seriously weird.
I suspect other parents would like the heads up to either come prepared with booties if they choose to go to Burger King, or choose not to go to that restaurant at all.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Exactly; no need to make a song and dance over it, just vote with your feet and go elsewhere if you don't like their policies.

I think the main reason why I don't exactly warm to this woman is her going, "Everyone loves baby feet"; just replace that with "Everyone loves baby noise" and you'll get a picture of a lot of child orintated SCs. I once while on the checkout had this father with a toddler that kept emitting eardrum piercing shrieks just for the hell of it, and all the guy could say in return to the complaints of the other people in the queue was, "It's just happy noise." -.-

[AFPheonix]

Perhaps, but the article doesn't really make clear whether that's what she said to the manager, or if she said that for the benefit of the article.
I'm inclined to think it's the latter, myself.

[DrFaroohk]

This is a definite case of someone without enough to do. Just because you CAN enforce something doesn't mean you should.

This baby was not the reason for the health code. The code is there because A) people's feet are gross and we don't want to be exposed to them and B) floors are gross and we can't have people stepping on glass and stuff. The baby had nothing to do with either of these things, unless you want try and argue that someone could smell the baby's feet from 50 feet across the room, or if she was walking. She wasn't, so this situation needed to be ignored.

I find it amusing that everyone seems to be all gung ho about rules and order - until it's something they don't like. The only argument anyone has put up here in favor of the restaurant is "WELL IT'S DA RULES! DA RULES! DA RULES SAY IT! IT IS DA RULES! DA RULES, MAN! DA RULES! DA RULES! DA RULES SAY IT! DA RULES ARE ALL POWERFUL! DA RULES! DA RULES MAKE ME HAWNY!!! DA RULES! END OF STORY!" Many other threads follow the same pattern. Don't like it? Tough. It's the law. Get over it.....

....right up until it's suddenly a law they don't like, then all of a sudden its "OH WAH MY CIVIL RIGHTS!!!" You know there's many places where it's illegal for homosexuals to get married, or even to be together! You can probably still own a human being in some places. "Oh it's not fair!" Yeah well tough shit, that's THE LAW. You don't like it so much now do you? Oh well, remember, the law is the law! Just because YOU don't like it doesn't change anything!

[AFPheonix]

Interestingly enough, I was trying to find the actual health code that states that customers must wear shoes.

Know what I found?

Absolutely nothing. There is NO health code edict that states that customers must wear shoes. There are codes in regards to employees' footwear but not customers.

[BroomJockey]

Know what I found?

Absolutely nothing. There is NO health code edict that states that customers must wear shoes. There are codes in regards to employees' footwear but not customers.

I found something even MORE interesting.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/u..._shoes_apology

Apology issued to lady, note of it not being illegal in St. Louis County, retraining for employees, the works.

I gotta say, based on this, I'm changing my position.