"Mean Mom" jailed

[Flyndaran]

What are you talking about? I'm not criticising her at all; I quoted violetyoshi's post about wrist leashes and gave my opinion on them, NOT ON ALL LEASHES. Please read my post properly before jumping in and posting something erroneous.

But the woman in the video was using a leash that wasn't around the body. Perhaps you should view the video before jumping in about my jumping in.

Exactly. It seems as tho we're in a world where people are afraid to disclipline their kids out of fear of nosy busybodies reporting them to the police/child protection services. In the meantime, both organisations are too busy to get to the real, genuine cases of abuse cuz of having to plough thru timewasting crap.

If you really believe that dragging children around by body parts, etc. is not child abuse, then I and many others disagree. We aren't denying parents the right to discipline. That's misinterpreting our view.

[Greenday]

Child abuse is child abuse. Just because she didn't slam the kid into displays and walls doesn't change a thing. Instead of just picking the kid up, she dragged the kid which absolutely constitutes as physical violence.

[Lace Neil Singer]

If it were abuse, the child wouldn't be lying there passively like he's doing. Maybe you're saying the child is stuffed/drugged then?

I can't view the video. My browser is currently blocking stuff like that cuz of some shitty script on a Gaia ad that redirects me to a virus.

Also, I just love it when everyone jumps down my throat, despite the fact that I'm not the only person to hold this view. If you like abuse labels so much, then stick one on yourself.

[kibbles]

If the mother dragged her child like that just because she didn't have patience enough to be a mother than I definitely agree that it's abuse.

[powerboy]

If it were abuse, the child wouldn't be lying there passively like he's doing.

Yes exactly. It is not child abuse, that I can see. What I want to know is, did the child ask to be dragged? What was going on, before the person started filming it? What happened afterwards? It did look like the kid stood up at the end.

Also, I just love it when everyone jumps down my throat, despite the fact that I'm not the only person to hold this view. If you like abuse labels so much, then stick one on yourself.

Oh yeah. Have a different opinion and every ones starts to hate. Its BS. Or better yet, everyone start assuming something. Then when proved wrong, they get all pissy about it

[BroomJockey]

Oh yeah. Have a different opinion and every ones starts to hate. Its BS. Or better yet, everyone start assuming something. Then when proved wrong, they get all pissy about it

Not the point of this thread.

[AdminAssistant]

It's not abuse; it's that mother's way of dealing with her bratty child. My mom would've yanked me up, pulled my pants down, smacked my butt, and then carried me out to the car. That's not abuse, that's punishment and parenting. Of course, these days some busybody would call the police on her. And then people wonder why kids misbehave, when parents aren't even allowed to publicly discipline anymore.

[kibbles]

Dragging a child using a leash intended for their safety to the point that marks are left on the child's neck is not punishment and parenting, it's abuse even if the child was being bratty. And whoever did call the police and thought to video tape what was happening, was smart in my opinion.

[DesignFox]

People wonder why I don't want kids....

[powerboy]

I also want to know, did the mom forcefully dragged him around the store? By watching the video, it does not look like it. Maybe the child was tired and sat down. she didn't realize it and walked off. The child thought it was fun being dragged. Judging from the video, I do not see any child abuse going on.

[IDrinkaRum]

Believe me, when Child Rum had her spectacular, full-out, lay down in the middle of the aisle screaming melt down, I wish I had her leash on her so I could just drag her with me.

Instead, I had to lean down, dodge long legs and long arms and try to pick her up. All the while she's screaming, crying and carrying on like I'm Jason/Freddy/Michael Meyers all rolled into one and everyone is looking at me like I'm a bad parent because I'm either not able to keep my child in line or that I'm abusin her. (Even though I was the one that ended up with bruises).

I have seen parents smack their children in the head, on the butt, on the mouth, on the hand, and no one is screaming child abuse at them.

The only reason she is being jailed/awaiting trial is because this was caught on camera and sent all over the internet. Otherwise, this would be a non-issue.

[Greenday]

The only reason she is being jailed/awaiting trial is because this was caught on camera and sent all over the internet. Otherwise, this would be a non-issue.

Oh, I thought it was because society usually refuses to blow the whistle on that kind of thing. Most people want someone to do something about it, they just don't want to do it themselves. This time someone stood up for what they believed.

[Nyoibo]

Dragging a child using a leash intended for their safety to the point that marks are left on the child's neck is not punishment and parenting, it's abuse even if the child was being bratty.

Not necesarily, do you have any idea how easy it is to leave marks on someone?

And if that was a game to the kid and the parent's getting charged for that, then you better start charging parents for other games 'aeroplane'? well, that has to be abuse, you're flinging a kid around by their limbs and leaving red marks on them, that has to be abuse.

[tabbyblack13]

People wonder why I don't want kids....

I second that.

I was looking at the video and from what I can tell it looks like it is a harness style. I have seen children do the same thing in the store where they go limp and try to get there parents to pick them up. Its like picking up a cat that is mad at you. The kid was full clothed so no rug burn and the kid might have stood up in the end. This is something my Mom might have dealt with my older brother because of his personality as a child.

[kibbles]

Not necesarily, do you have any idea how easy it is to leave marks on someone?

And if that was a game to the kid and the parent's getting charged for that, then you better start charging parents for other games 'aeroplane'? well, that has to be abuse, you're flinging a kid around by their limbs and leaving red marks on them, that has to be abuse.

I believe I already stated in a previous post that it is not abuse if it was some sort of game to the child. But, if the parent was doing it out of frustration (instead of just picking up the child), then I think it is abuse.

So, no where in any of my posts did I state a parent should be charged if it was a game and left marks, done accidentally as part of a game is a whole lot different than marks left after something is done out of frustration IMO.