"Mean Mom" jailed

[Nyoibo]

I really think society's getting pathetic, why don't we just wrap all the kids in cotton wool and stick them in a warehouse until they're adults, they can't play on playgrounds because they might get hurt, can't have bark chips, they might get a splinter, can't discipline a child, they'll have issues, poor wittle bubsy might get a owie, being dragged a few feet like that isn't abuse, at best it's fun for the kid, at worst it's a parent who maybe needs to rethink some things a little, being thrown across a room, slammed against walls, having an adult sit on a kids chest and punch it in the head, that's abuse.

[kibbles]

I don't think it's pathetic to not agree with a child being dragged across a store out of sheer frustration. Now, I am not advocating for the mother to be thrown in jail for live or even receive jail time at all. If she is proven guilty and this is an isolated incident I think she should serve some type of community service/anger management type of deal.

JMO of course.

[Flyndaran]

I don't think it's pathetic to not agree with a child being dragged across a store out of sheer frustration. Now, I am not advocating for the mother to be thrown in jail for live or even receive jail time at all. If she is proven guilty and this is an isolated incident I think she should serve some type of community service/anger management type of deal.

JMO of course.

My opinion as well. This comes from someone that suffered spankings as a child, a couple with a switch. Funny, how I feared my mom's hand more than my dad's switch. It was the fact that I could literaly see how much it hurt him to "discipline" me, while my mom struck from anger.

Violence begets violence too often to condone it for children.
I don't know how many parents I've seen striking children while angry.
Spanking might work if the parent wasn't angry or emotional at all. But who could strike a child without anger?

[DesignFox]

I dunno. My SO and I were both spanked as children. Neither of us are violent people. I don't ever remember my father striking me out of anger. My SO only remembers one time his father struck him out of anger- he was a teenager at the time, not a small child... and he told his father if he did it again, he'd give back as good as he got. His father never struck him again, and my SO didn't step out of line again.

Different things work for different kids. Parents are also human and make mistakes. Unless a parent is repeating their mistakes, or just being a fucking douchenozzle, they don't deserve to be put in jail or scruitinized for every little action.

This is exactly why kids are shit bags, today. This is exactly why everyone and their brother is an entitlement whore. This is why everyone has "special snowflake" syndrome.

People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions. Children learn to accept responsibility when they are shown that their actions have consequences- and oh boy! They might be negative! Imagine that!

[violetyoshi]

My opinion as well. This comes from someone that suffered spankings as a child, a couple with a switch. Funny, how I feared my mom's hand more than my dad's switch. It was the fact that I could literaly see how much it hurt him to "discipline" me, while my mom struck from anger.

Violence begets violence to often to condone it for children.
I don't know how many parents I've seen striking children while angry.
Spanking might work if the parent wasn't angry or emotional at all. But who could strike a child without anger?

I was at Disneyworld one time, when I was younger and saw this father spanking his son, who's face was beet red and the child was not just crying but screaming in total fear and terror.

This is why I'm so adamant against spanking, you see something like that, a parent who is supposed to be protecting their child harming it, well most people would see that as wrong.

I find it fascinating that people who have been spanked are so adamant about convincing others that the way they were raised, was a good way to be raised. I'm thinking maybe they're either trying to convince themselves that it was reasonable to be hit every so often, or that they're jealous that this generation of kids are taught not by the rod but by caring and understanding.

[Nyoibo]

I'm thinking maybe they're either trying to convince themselves that it was reasonable to be hit every so often, or that they're jealous that this generation of kids are taught not by the rod but by caring and understanding.

Or maybe we're sick and tired of seeing this generation that's being "taught" by caring and understanding turn out to be entitled namby pamby little shits who need a good swift kick up the arse to get their heads out of them.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Agreed. My parents only used physical correction as a last resort, or as a correction for doing something vile and dangerous. Example; playing with matches, running out into the road, hitting the dog, pushing a sibling down the stairs. Try and reason with a toddler about why he shouldn't play with matches or pinch the dog and I doubt you'll get very far.

As for jealous, don't make me laugh. Seriously, that's reminiscent of some teenage slag saying that other girls are jealous of her ability to get boys, when in fact they feel sorry for her lack of respect for her and her body. I had very good parents, with whom I get on extremely well nowadays, and I can honestly say that whenever I drove my parents to punish me, either physically or mentally, I deserved it. I may not have thought this at the time, but I know now.

Children are all different; what works for one won't necessarily work for another. Naughty corner and being sent to room would not have worked for me; I liked to be on my own and often just retreated into my own imaginary world. Whereas for some kids, who are extroverted, being put in the naughty corner is a very realistic punishment.

[Flyndaran]

Or maybe we're sick and tired of seeing this generation that's being "taught" by caring and understanding turn out to be entitled namby pamby little shits who need a good swift kick up the arse to get their heads out of them.

There's a huge difference between teaching through intelligent understanding and complete disregard for rules that is the real problem of today's youth.

Though, since every single generation of adults throuout history has condemed "modern" youth's behavior in need of swift discipline, I do take all this criticism with a grain of salt.

[violetyoshi]

Or maybe we're sick and tired of seeing this generation that's being "taught" by caring and understanding turn out to be entitled namby pamby little shits who need a good swift kick up the arse to get their heads out of them.

This is why they call it the cycle of violence. You weren't taught any skills on how to handle situations as a child, other than to treat others violently when they get out of line.

[BroomJockey]

There's a huge difference between teaching through intelligent understanding and complete disregard for rules that is the real problem of today's youth.

Because they've been taught breaking rules has no consequences. Schools can't do anything, or parents raise hell. Parents can't do anything in public, or strangers raise hell. Delayed punishment is useless punishment.

[DesignFox]

Because they've been taught breaking rules has no consequences. Schools can't do anything, or parents raise hell. Parents can't do anything in public, or strangers raise hell. Delayed punishment is useless punishment.

Yup. Can't punish a horse or a dog minutes or hours after the fact. Punishment needs to happen within seconds or the animal doesn't have any clue *why* the punishment happened.

Small children are exactly like little animals. They require a lot of patience, a lot of repetition, a lot of praise when appropriate, and a swift and correct punishment when they are out of line.

Just like animals, different forms of reinforcement work with different types of children. It is up to the parent to decide. Unless the kid is in serious distress (suffocating, bones being broken, spending an unusual amount of time in emergency rooms...) it is nobody's business but the parents how that child's discipline is being handled.

Kids who don't need to be spanked, but still are respectful and wonderful? Fantastic. I think we all agree we'd *rather* see that. However, many of us needed a good crack across the cheek or bottom now and then. It's just how we were. I don't hate my parents for it in the slightest. I'm glad! I *maybe* remember one or two times that I was actually slapped. If it was more than that, I really don't remember. I just know I was always a good kid, other people's parents liked having me around, and I seem to have turned out ok as an adult.

At least, I haven't landed myself in jail. I have a healthy respect for authority (without being a mindless sheep). I have respect for my elders. I have a good work ethic. Did well in school. AND I take responsibility for my own actions.

I say, let parents do their jobs. I know far too many young people who need a good healthy dose of taking what's coming to them. You don't learn if someone is always sheltering you from the consequences (good and bad) of your actions.

[Flyndaran]

Because they've been taught breaking rules has no consequences. Schools can't do anything, or parents raise hell. Parents can't do anything in public, or strangers raise hell. Delayed punishment is useless punishment.

I know. I've read the stuidies about consequences needing to be within about an hour to truly be understood on an emotional level.
No one is arguing no punishment. That's a strawman argument.
We simply believe that violence is not necessary or useful.

[Nyoibo]

This is why they call it the cycle of violence. You weren't taught any skills on how to handle situations as a child, other than to treat others violently when they get out of line.

Bwahahahahaha.........bahahaha... Oh, wait, you're serious? I have friends who are youth workers, councellors, shrinks, I've looked after kids for years, we're all really good at it to, and know what we all have in common? Yup, we were all spanked as kids *gasp* "No, how is this possible?" you say? Because what I just quoted you on is the most inane load of bull**** I've ever read.

[Rapscallion]

I know. I've read the stuidies about consequences needing to be within about an hour to truly be understood on an emotional level.
No one is arguing no punishment. That's a strawman argument.
We simply believe that violence is not necessary or useful.

Any anti-spanking crusader ever come up with a working alternative?

Rapscallion

[Pedersen]

Any anti-spanking crusader ever come up with a working alternative?

Rapscallion, I am positively appalled at your behavior. You actually asked for results? Don't you know that results don't matter when we're protecting children?

Now, go, sit in a corner, and think about what you've done, and how you've shamed all of us.

The nerve, asking for actual results. I've never seen such behavior here, and hope never to do so again. And you'll note that I am not advocating any spanking, since we all know how reprehensible that behavior is.