Give (Random thing) to people who deserve it

[ArenaBoy]

This was something I was told by a family friend in my quest for a job. One place I am applying to hasn't called me back yet and when I was talking to said family friend he just said "Let someone who deserves a job get it. You're well off as it is." I took offense to this and said "Uh, no. The way it should be is based on qualifications, the desire to get it, and the ability to rise up to the challenge, not someone who probably screwed up at work and got fired."

Should the way things are given out be based on a person and the circumstances that say "Hey, this guy is going through this right now and the other guy isn't so let's give it to the first guy." Or should it be; "Hmm, this gentleman has the desire to get what he's aiming for and he has risen up to the challenge let's go for him."

I'm for the latter option.

[rahmota]

I am torn between this as I know a good deal of people who are in a rough spot who are trying but from an outsider's view might look like a loser. I'm also not a fan of the way capitalism as used in the modern world rewards greed and cutthroat behavior.

To each ccording to their needs, from each according to their ability.

[AFPheonix]

It's in the business's best interest to hire the person that they think will do the best job and will stick around for awhile.

And since when do you not deserve the job? God, your family friend is a complete idiot, just based on the few sentences you posted here.

[rahmota]

Looking at what I said yesterday I realized I may have sounded offesive to you Arena. In your case you are trying and therefore deserve as strong a chance as anyone else who is trying. Not knowing your situation compleately thats as best I can say. If you are a multimillionare then why you need a job is kinda beyond me but I'm betting against that. And your friend is kinda blowing smoke.

My problem is more with the system that looks at a person who may not be a perfect choice or who looks questionable and immediately dismisses them because they do not fit a certian profile, dont have a good enough credit score etc.... So I am somewhere in between your two examples as I would like to see a more level playing field.

[ArenaBoy]

Looking at what I said yesterday I realized I may have sounded offesive to you Arena.

Oh no you didn't offend me at all. The only ways one can offend me is to insult my family and various other things (Yes, that includes soccer). I was frustrated at this "friend" because he tends to say a lot of things out of his arse. Just hearing that bastard speak tends to annoy me.

My problem is more with the system that looks at a person who may not be a perfect choice or who looks questionable and immediately dismisses them because they do not fit a certian profile, dont have a good enough credit score etc.... So I am somewhere in between your two examples as I would like to see a more level playing field.

Given the area I live near and may be working in, they look down at me because I'm young. It does drive me nuts when someone passes up an applicant who has certain credentials for a someone else just because the latter is a friend of the owner and all. Granted I'm all for hiring people who meet qualifications.

[Banrion]

I guess you could call me a true capitalist because as far as I am concerned no one should expect to be given anything. If you didn't work for it, you don't deserve it, and if you got something for nothing you should consider yourself lucky. As far as jobs go, the most qualified, and improvable candidate should be selected.

* All above instances of the words you, yourself, yours etc are referring to the general collective you, no one person in particular.

Right now, youth should not be a deterrent to any employer. This country is approaching the point where approximately 1/3 of our workforce is going to retire, with not enough new workers to fill those positions. I was very fortunate to find a company that realized this early on and was willing to spend some money on a college drop-out to train. My company is VERY supportive of it's young employees who show initiative and intelligent thought. I worked my way through entry level in less than a year. Within 3 years I had been promoted 5 times, and now they are almost forcing me back into school so that I can go further.

My whole point is that if companies are passing you up because of youth, you probably don't want to work there, as in a very few short years they are going to be severely understaffed, with an enormous loss of experience and knowledge to retirement. These are companies that aren't looking at the big picture and the future.

[rahmota]

Banrion: You know I was brought up to believe that if a person worked hard, did good work, and was responsible and reliable they would get what they deserved and rewarded. But thats just not true in modern capitalist america. You know what you get if you work hard and keep your nose clean? A tired back, a broke bank account but a clean nose at least. It isnt what you know or how hard you work in this country already but who you know or what social club you belong to or how well you can suck up. The rich get richer the poor get poorer and the middle gets shoved even tighter into the hole.

I'll agree that the only thing a company should be allowed to look at is if the person has the skills for the job. Not their credit rating, not their age, not thier skin color. Just what skills they have and if they have the ability to do the job. Unfortunately in modern capitalism the disenfranchised (Not really the proper word but closet I can think of right now) are shoved to the side because they dont have good credit, they look like a risk because of some stupid mistakes or other petty thigns companies should not be allowed to consider.

Our society has evolved enough that there should be a way to make sure people have the basic needs met by society and if they want anythign further then they can work harder for it. That way those who cannot, or otherwise are not willing or able to work for whatever reason are still able to survive but those who want to work and get more are able to do so within reason. A simple fair and humane way to run a country. To each acocrding to their needs from each according to their ability. Everyone contributes something and everyone gets the basic needs met.

[powerboy]

Banrion: You know I was brought up to believe that if a person worked hard, did good work, and was responsible and reliable they would get what they deserved and rewarded. e gets shoved even tighter into the hole.

I'll agree that the only thing a company should be allowed to look at is if the person has the skills for the job. Not their credit rating, not their age, not thier skin color. Just what skills they have and if they have the ability to do the job.

Exactly. If you are the most qualified, then you should be hired.

[Nightwolf]

You know what you get if you work hard and keep your nose clean? A tired back, a broke bank account but a clean nose at least. It isnt what you know or how hard you work in this country already but who you know or what social club you belong to or how well you can suck up.

For the most part when it comes to most employers I believe you're right on the mark. However. There are many companies out there that don't follow this mark. There are a great deal of companies such as SAS industries in Colorado, and NuCore Steel in Philly that are outstanding companies to work for and watch out for their employees first. I believe the trick to this whole mess is finding the right company for you.

Which is why i've come to the understanding that in order to find my perfect company that gels with my HR ideals, I'm going to need to move away from Wisconsin.

And Banrion.......Where do you work, do they need HR people, and when can I apply.

[rahmota]

Aye and theres the rub Nightwolf. Theres the rub.

[Banrion]

For the most part when it comes to most employers I believe you're right on the mark. However. There are many companies out there that don't follow this mark. There are a great deal of companies such as SAS industries in Colorado, and NuCore Steel in Philly that are outstanding companies to work for and watch out for their employees first. I believe the trick to this whole mess is finding the right company for you.

Which is why i've come to the understanding that in order to find my perfect company that gels with my HR ideals, I'm going to need to move away from Wisconsin.

And Banrion.......Where do you work, do they need HR people, and when can I apply.

I work for the Stag! http://www.thehartford.com/servlet/S...%2FPage%2FInfo

That's a link to the job posting page. If you see something you are interested in let me know. We do have referral bonuses. I did see a staffing position in Woodbury, MN which is almost, but not entirely unlike WI. Home Office is in Connecticut, so the bulk of the HR jobs are there.

[Nightwolf]

lol why thank you Banrion. I'll have a look at the link.