Compassionate Release

[tropicsgoddess]

I was only 4 during the flight 103 Lockerbie bombing incident. But during the Manson family killing sprees, I wasn't alive! Here we have a member of the Manson family (Susan Atkins) who stabbed (and killed) actress Sharon Tate who was 8 months pregnant, despite her pleas for mercy. Susan Atkins has terminal brain cancer and can barely sit up or do much on her own. She and the others would've had the death penalty, but had their sentences commuted to life in prison since the supreme court struck down the death penalty laws in 1972. This is the 14th time she has gone to another parole hearing and been denied parole despite her ailing health. On the other hand, a Libyan man named Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed Al Meghari, known as the Lockerbie Bomber was released on compassionate grounds by the Cabinet Secretary for Justice Kenny MacAskill due to his life expectancy being 3 months or less from terminal prostate cancer. I don't see how fair is it one person that bombed several people gets compassionate release and a hero's welcome in his home country for killing so many innocent people when both he and the other that mercilessly killed another person should both die in prison.


Manson Family Member denied parole 14th time.

[telecom_goddess]

wow....I was alive when the Manson murders happened but I was only 4 at the time....but damn. Brain cancer huh...well I feel she should stay there until it kills her. Manson should just be killed.

[Gravekeeper]

Oddly, both stories surprised me a bit. I was a little surprised they released the bomber wanker ( and offended at his welcome home party ), but surprised they didn't release Manson chick.

She's been in there what, 40 years? Is going to bite it anyway and is already 85% paralyzed. Karma's bitch slapped her around enough that it should satisfy even the most blood thirsty amongst us. She already has a fate worse than death on her head, on *top* of impending death.

[DesignFox]

I don't care if you're terminally ill and you've already sat behind bars for 40 years. If you were sentenced to life in prison, you die in prison. End of story.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My heart can only bleed for so many.

Vicious murderers and terrorists are not on the top of the list.

[Mr Slugger]

Honestly like others I think if you've been sentenced to life in prison then you stay in prison. The only other option I would consider would be a voluntary execution.

[Rapscallion]

Oddly, both stories surprised me a bit. I was a little surprised they released the bomber wanker ( and offended at his welcome home party ), but surprised they didn't release Manson chick.

Different countries, different legal systems. The Scottish system, under which he was convicted and held, is different to the English system (we're actually a United Kingdom for England, Scotland, and Wales, and we sort of added a chunk of Ireland along the way). Wales has the same system as England, as far as I know.

Rapscallion

[Tanasi]

I was only 4 during the flight 103 Lockerbie bombing incident. But during the Manson family killing sprees, I wasn't alive! Here we have a member of the Manson family (Susan Atkins) who stabbed (and killed) actress Sharon Tate who was 8 months pregnant, despite her pleas for mercy. Susan Atkins has terminal brain cancer and can barely sit up or do much on her own. She and the others would've had the death penalty, but had their sentences commuted to life in prison since the supreme court struck down the death penalty laws in 1972. This is the 14th time she has gone to another parole hearing and been denied parole despite her ailing health. On the other hand, a Libyan man named Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed Al Meghari, known as the Lockerbie Bomber was released on compassionate grounds by the Cabinet Secretary for Justice Kenny MacAskill due to his life expectancy being 3 months or less from terminal prostate cancer. I don't see how fair is it one person that bombed several people gets compassionate release and a hero's welcome in his home country for killing so many innocent people when both he and the other that mercilessly killed another person should both die in prison.


Manson Family Member denied parole 14th time.

She's living the life she setup for herself and she is where she deserves to be. Meghari release was part of a oil exploration/production deal with Libiya. He was at first excluded from the list of prisoners that could finish their sentances in Libiya but when the radification stopped and he was added to to the list that radification was approved. Someone over there should have put a similar piece of luggage on his return flight to repay the favor.

[linguist]

Someone over there should have put a similar piece of luggage on his return flight to repay the favor.

considering that i find it doubtful he was piloting his return flight himself, and chances are he was flying commercial, are you really advocating the murder of innocents to get revenge on one bad guy?

[Gravekeeper]

Different countries, different legal systems.
Rapscallion

Ah, yes. True enough.

Meghari release was part of a oil exploration/production deal with Libiya.

Ah, yes. Long as we can get oil out of it.

[BlaqueKatt]

Manson should just be killed.

just to play devil's advocate here:

You do realize Manson was not even at the Tate house-that's right he never killed anyone-he's sitting because he incited others to kill. And that has been revealed to posibly be a case of "mistaken identity"-you see the Tate house two months prior had been rented by the record company executive that denied manson a recording contract.

Linda Kasabian was sent by Manson with three other members of his Family - Tex Watson, Susan Atkins and Patricia "Katie" Krenwinkel - to break into Tate's home.


and Linda was never charged even though she was there as the lookout-kinda screwed up really if you think about it.

[blas87]

Someone out there feels sorry for someone in ailing health and rotting in jail who viciously killed someone?

What the fuck is wrong with people.......nope, no one cares about Sharon Tate or her family and friends, let's all worry about the twat-truffle that killed her, and her ailing health!

That's the problem with people these days. Everyone cares too much about the heartless, vicious assholes who go about killing....and not the person or persons who have died and left a family and friends behind.

Again, I ask, what is wrong with people?!

[Tanasi]

considering that i find it doubtful he was piloting his return flight himself, and chances are he was flying commercial, are you really advocating the murder of innocents to get revenge on one bad guy?

He was flown back to Libiya on a Libiyian jet accompanied by Quadiffi's son. So I really have very little problem with it, they certainly didn't seem to have a problem with his bombing of the PanAm flight.

[BroomJockey]

Again, I ask, what is wrong with people?!

The inability to forgive, and move on. Compassion is best offered to those least deserving, and the best part of humanity is to rise above petty, vengeful behaviour.

After all, if Manson hadn't wanted vengence, the Tates wouldn't have been killed (Blaquekatt's mention of mistaken identity). So, I chose to be better than Manson, and have compassion.

[BlaqueKatt]

The inability to forgive, and move on. Compassion is best offered to those least deserving, and the best part of humanity is to rise above petty, vengeful behaviour.<snip>So, I chose to be better than Manson, and have compassion.

yup

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong."

-Mahatma Gandhi

and forgiving does not mean acceptance of what was done, it's just letting go of anger, resentment, etc. so you can move on with more positive aspects of life.

nope, no one cares about Sharon Tate or her family and friends

Bad choice-her husband Roman Polanski fled the US after pleading guilty to drugging and raping/sodomizing a 13 year old girl.


And here's the info on the manson mistaken idenity-I thought it was a record executive but apparently I was mistaken.

Terry Melcher (son of film icon Doris Day) and his girlfriend at the time, actress Candice Bergen, had lived at the house, but had moved out in February, 1969. The following month, Polanski and Tate moved in. Melcher had angered Charles Manson because he had declined to record some of his music.

[blas87]

I beg your fucking pardon, but I am not by any means a "weak" person because I absolutely refuse to forgive or have compassion for someone who has no regard for innocent human life.

I am by no means a "weak" person because I refuse to forgive the guy who killed my cousin and her baby. Have I moved on with life? Well obviously I can live day to day and work and eat and sleep, it's been several years, but not a day goes by where I don't want him to experience pain and suffering like he inflicted upon her and her unborn baby.

No one deserves to be killed in cold blood, whether it's a high profile case like the Manson yoohoos or a murder in a small town in rural Wisconsin.

It's very sickening to know that there are more and more people out there who are more concerned about the health, safety, and well being of people who have done immoral, completely unforgiveable things to other human beings, than people who care about the innocent lives that have been lost, and the families and friends that have to live with that loss every day and feel the pain and agony of losing a loved one, especially when it's gruesome and in complete cold blood.

Weakness is holding back and pretending nothing happened, just seeing Sharon Tate's murderer as a poor feeble woman who is in ailing health and cannot hurt a fly, forgetting that she was once a completely healthy young woman who took another woman's life.

I can only hope that I'm not the only person left in the world who is willing to keep standing up for victims and their families and friends, and not the gutter slime who has no regard for human life.

Call me weak if you want. I refuse to accept such words get to me when I know who I am and what I stand for, even if I do not have nearly everyone on the boards agreeing with me and having the same bleeding heart, overly compassionate views on the subject.

This was apparenly my reminder why I quit posting here, and why I should never have returned.