Swine flu vacc being MANDATORY for HC workers.

[Amina516]

*HC is healthcare.

Now this is my first thread here. Also something that is near and dear to my heart. I found an article about NY state - they required HC workers of all kinds to get the new and imo, not sufficiently tested H1N1 vaccine. That mandate was recently over turned by the supreme court as unconstititional. Of course, the State is fighting this.

I was wondering what everyones opinion on here was about that. Do you think HC's should be forced to receive a vacc they dont want? And for the record, HC's being forced to get this DOES NOT include doctors (and also imo, most have horrible hygiene practices between patients)

Ive provided a link about the story I read. The comments below the story are TRULY mind boggling...such as "Healthcare workers not receiving a vaccine, should be made to wear red armbands with "NV" on them so everyone know they were not vaccinated" and things like that.

Im having flashbacks to Orwells's 1984 just reading them.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...age=9#comments

[Kalli]

And for the record, HC's being forced to get this DOES NOT include doctors

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Huh??

[Amina516]

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Huh??

Healthcare workers mandated to get this do not (usually) include doctors. Figure that one out.

[BlaqueKatt]

imo, not sufficiently tested H1N1 vaccine.

Myth:

"The swine flu vaccine has not been rushed through safety testing. It has been given to thousands of volunteers before being licensed by the Food and Drug Administration. The technology used to produce the vaccine has been used to make influenza vaccines for 60 years and the safety record is excellent."

Vincent Racaniello Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology at Columbia University Medical Center

also addressed in Dr Mark Crislip's latest podcast

It was not "rushed through" or "not sufficently tested"-it recieved the same amount of testing as the seasonal flu vaccine does every year.

[Amina516]

It was not "rushed through" or "not sufficently tested"-it recieved the same amount of testing as the seasonal flu vaccine does every year.

Ah, but "sufficiently tested" does not include long term effects (nor could it, its a brand spanking new vacc)...But thats why its my opinion that it wasnt tested to where Id feel "safe" taking it.

[joe hx]

(nor could it, its a brand spanking new vacc)

isn't every flu vaccine created every year a "brand spanking new vacc"?

[Nyoibo]

isn't every flu vaccine created every year a "brand spanking new vacc"?

That's what I was going to say, most vaccines are to an extent to combat mutating viruses, so there really is no way to study long term effects of specific vaccines.

Considering what happened with the Spanish flu and Asian flu I can understand them not wanting another pandemic like that.

[Amina516]

Im not worried about the virus itself..its the adjuvants they use. This one is apparently a new one. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...t-Exposed.aspx

Either way..I dont get a regular Flu vacc so im sure as hell not getting a H1N1 vacc.

[I8DaCookie]

You know what I find kinda funny.

You see a HC worker how often and they're wanting to require them to have the vaccine.

I'm a teacher and I see and interact with my students everyday, I'm the first line of defense...and there's not enough of the vaccine to give it to the teachers.

Just find it interesting.

[Amina516]

You know what I find kinda funny.

You see a HC worker how often and they're wanting to require them to have the vaccine.

I'm a teacher and I see and interact with my students everyday, I'm the first line of defense...and there's not enough of the vaccine to give it to the teachers.

Just find it interesting.

I agree. Teachers, day care workers and people with jobs like that.

And to be honest, I get @ max..5 patients a day as a floor nurse. I interact with a FEW others, aides and other nurses, but Im exposed to WAY less people than you would be walking through Walmart, And Guess how many people cashiers interact with on a daily basis and arent privy to handwashing facilities between each one?

I just dont undertsnad why people panic and want to single out a group of people as being at fault for the spread of something like this.

[Flyndaran]

People are just paranoid of a breakout and too many medical personal being sick.

I can't believe I'm going to write this. But I think those that work with children and immunocompromised individuals should get vaccinated first.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Absolutely no one should be forced to undergo any sort of injection, treatment, or whatever as a condition of keeping their job.

Whether it is safe or not is completely irrelevant and a completely different discussion.

I just re read this and it sounds like I'm trying to force people to stay on topic. That's not my intent, I couldn't care less.

Watch this: no flu shots of any sort for my family. I think it's a dangerous scam.

There.

I was just saying it has no bearing on whether anyone should be forced to take it or not.

[Flyndaran]

Absolutely no one should be forced to undergo any sort of injection, treatment, or whatever as a condition of keeping their job.

Whether it is safe or not is completely irrelevant and a completely different discussion.

I disagree. Protecting the masses is a little more important than individuals right to endanger everyone around them through petulance.
Do you disagree with mandatory vaccinations for children entering schools?
If so, then I also disagree. But if not, then why not?

[BroomJockey]

I just dont undertsnad why people panic and want to single out a group of people as being at fault for the spread of something like this.

Are they blaming HC workers for spreading it? Because the reason I thought they were (and it was a damned good one in my mind) was that this way, HC workers would be less likely to be knocked out by it, infectious less time, and would need to be kept away from patients with compromised immune systems, thus not putting additional strain on the health care system by having significant chunks of patient assistants unable to assist patients.

And yes, I think in this one instance it's acceptable to make them get the vaccine. For the reason I stated I thought they were getting it. It's like any other flu vacc, so if it keeps this one strain from hitting them this time, good.

[Nyoibo]

I just dont undertsnad why people panic and want to single out a group of people as being at fault for the spread of something like this.

Health care workers generally see different people each day, rather than the same group, the people they see are usually sick, this puts them at a higher risk of infection, no one says they're responsible for it, but the chances of them contracting it are higher.

If you got H1N1, where would you go? The hospital, who interacts with you there? Healthcare workers. That being said if it's going to be mandatory then doctors should be included in that group.