College bans cross dressing

[Tanasi]

I'm assuming your son is attending a military college?

That is a safe assumption. He specifically attends Canoe U in his second year. His little brother is hoping to follow him in a few years. For some reason my boy children want to be professional jarheads.

[Tanasi]

I don't like it because arguments like this one open up all sorts of major issues. Like it makes racism, sexism, etc. etc. ok, because if you don't like it, just don't go there. How can you say it's perfectly ok to discriminate against one group but not another? I mean, I think the idea of an all black male college is racist/sexist as it is. What if a private college decided to only allowed white males in? That's cool right? Cause it's a private college and you can choose to just not go there.

They're not discriminating against any specific students after all none of the Morehouse Men are allowed to dress outside the dress code. Does not Morehouse have the right of association?

[Greenday]

They're not discriminating against any specific students after all none of the Morehouse Men are allowed to dress outside the dress code. Does not Morehouse have the right of association?

The new dress code discriminates against transsexual students. I mean, I know it's currently perfectly ok to discriminate against people because of sexual preferences and such, but it's still ethically wrong.

[BroomJockey]

The new dress code discriminates against transsexual students.

No, and I knew someone would make this mistake sooner or later, so I was saving this one:

Their enrollment policy discriminates against transsexuals. It's an all-male school, according to the OP. That means if you're M->F, you need to act male in order to keep going there. If you're F->M, you'd need to be post-op. They don't allow women, which means if you want to be treated as a woman, you get to leave.

[Greenday]

No, and I knew someone would make this mistake sooner or later, so I was saving this one:

Their enrollment policy discriminates against transsexuals. It's an all-male school, according to the OP. That means if you're M->F, you need to act male in order to keep going there. If you're F->M, you'd need to be post-op. They don't allow women, which means if you want to be treated as a woman, you get to leave.

Except the way a person dresses their self doesn't change the fact that they are a male or female.

[AdminAssistant]

Except the way a person dresses their self doesn't change the fact that they are a male or female.

Exactly.

To use specific, politically correct terminology, they are discriminating against transvestites - men who choose to wear women's clothing. Oh, and sure they banned pajama pants and doo rags...but it seems to me that was tagged on so they wouldn't be accused of discrimination. Like the recent adoption ban passed in Arkansas. The ban against gay couples was struck down as unconstitutional, so they expanded it to include all unmarried people. But they're not discriminating against gay people, see??? Right.

Yes, it's a private school. Yes, this is their right. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I prefer to think of college as free learning environments...as a place where people can learn to express themselves.

[Nyoibo]

AA beat me to it, transvestites, not transsexuals.

[Greenday]

Right, transsexuals = those who feel like they are the other sex
transvestites = those who just like to crossdress.

Stuff gets confusing.

[gremcint]

Stuff gets confusing.

oh god does it ever.


A while ago on the news there was a black female who dressed like a man and had a man's haircut and definitly looked like a man, she got in trouble for using a ladies room.


On American idol once there was a kid complaining about how he was always being mistaken for a girl while wearing girl's jeans, a girl's belt and platform shoes.

If you present yourself as a certain gender expect to be treated like a certain gender and crossdressing means you are presenting yourself as a woman (for men anyways) and this is a school that is for men only so women aren't allowed. I think you may see my point but I'm not quite sure how to state it. crossdressers may not want to be a woman permanently but for a short period of time they do want to present themselves as one which quite frankly means being treated like one.

[Flyndaran]

F-M sex reassignments aren't male. Modern medical science cannot make a real penis. That means that physically, F-Ms are really mangle women.

I have no problem with anyone living or dressing any damn way they want, but biology is biology.

I loath all discrimination not based on logical rules. Banning skirts to those with penises is ridiculous. A piece of cloth is neither male nor female.

[BroomJockey]

Exactly.

To use specific, politically correct terminology, they are discriminating against transvestites

Again, I point out, CLOTHING IS NOT PROTECTED. You are stretching the boundaries of discrimination. You are making the word worthless. It's like in the "Not liking Obama = Racist" thread. Just because you like Rocky Horror Picture Show and feel progressive doesn't suddenly make everything discriminatory just because you disagree with it. I will put this very bluntly, so that anyone can follow it.

It is a private institution which can set whatever rules it so chooses.
Clothing is not a protected status.
They ruled out multiple articles of clothing, so they weren't even targeting any specific clothing.
They did not expel the students who dressed up, nor discipline them in any way.
Jobs have dress codes, schools have dress codes (many of which, by the way, prevent boys from wearing dresses and skirts, so where's your righteous indignation at that?), this is just a dress code. Hell, AA, you said you wouldn't have minded school uniforms here.
And lastly, while there are many freedoms, no where does it say "You have freedom of dress."

AA, Greenday, I'm probably more liberal than the two of you put together, and if I'm calling bullshit on this being discrimination, you might wanna check your knees are banging in to anything while they jerk.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I agree with Broomjockey. (Now, there's a first! XD) This is merely a dress code, and is not discrimination. Once again, if you feel you don't want to abide by the dress code, then go elsewhere.

It's a private college. You don't have to go there; you choose to pay the fees and go there. There are plenty of other places to go, who might have less strict rules on dress. You know I said my school was strict on uniform? Well, a local boys' private school is uber strict. It's basically uniform or bust, they don't allow the boys to have long hair, piercings, jewelry or any additions to the basic uniform. However, no-one complains, cuz they chose to send their sons there and pay the fees; there are several other schools in the area with less strict rules. This is much the same thing.

[Fryk]

I am completely over schools using "Oh, it's a distraction!" as a reason for certain rules. Do they really think that students are going to spend the whole lesson period looking at a guy in a dress, thiking nothing but "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...." and drooling? Are people really that easily distra- OH! A BEE!!!!

Ahem.

That being said, discrimination would mean that either transvestites wouldn't be allowed at the school, or woud have less rights and privileges than other students. Since the five students in question are still allowed there, and since NO ONE can wear dresses, I fail to see how this is discrimination.
Transvestites, feel free to correct me, but being a transvestite is not dressing like a woman because you identify yourself as one. I thought it was more about feeling more comfortable in women's clothing. Who here hasn't had to wear something they felt was uncomfortable in the workplace or other areas?

[AdminAssistant]

Just because you like Rocky Horror Picture Show and feel progressive doesn't suddenly make everything discriminatory just because you disagree with it.

Wow, insulted by a mod. Huh.

They already have transvestite students. What this college is doing is saying, "Either dress like a man or get the hell out", and I hope these students are able to transfer without any problems.

I believe that when I brought up uniforms I was talking about K-12 schools. This is college. There's a difference.

Or, fine, whatever, you're right, I'm wrong. It's getting less and less fun to post here.

[DesignFox]

Here we go again. Clothing rules are not forms of discrimination. My boss is not discriminating against me when he tells me to come in uniform or not come to work at all. It wasn't discrimination back when I was in Catholic school and had to go to school in the "girl's" uniform of a skirt and button down blouse or else I'd be sent home (to hell with the fact that I was a tomboy and much preferred to wear pants).

It's a damn dress code. There is nothing wrong with having a dress code. No one told those men they couldn't come to school. No one singled them out. The school set a standard of dress. They are expected to follow that standard or they can seek their education elsewhere.