College bans cross dressing

[Pedersen]

So you're saying sexual preference is only part of who you are while actually having sex? Because I'm pretty sure my sexual preference applies to who I am 100% of the time, regardless of what I'm doing.

Well, we agree on that point. The connection you apparently failed to make though was that my sexual preference has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm wearing. I can be wearing a frilly pink tutu along with a wife beater shirt, and still prefer women sexually.

Transvestitism is all about the clothing you wear, not your sexual preferences.

[Nyoibo]

People are crying out about the discrimintation against transvestites, what about the blatant discrimination against the gangstas?

[XiaoTortuga]

I feel that as a society, American people are too hung up on clothes. Not so long ago a female could not wear pants. That was "men's" clothing. Times change. People should dress appropriately for the occasion, but that is not limited in my view to historically traditional clothing of your gender.

I can also see where the college is coming from. Because people are judged so quickly based on their appearance, they are trying to help their students be prepared for the big world out there. They want their students to conform so that they will fit in and be accepted by prospective employers and the like.

My concern is that students have chosen to attend the college where they were able to dress as they chose. Now they have to consider transferring, leaving school all together, or not dressing as they prefer. I think this is fundamentally unfair to these students. If nothing else, think of the financial hardship this could entail if some of these students have to go out and buy all new wardrobes.

If the college made the requirement apply to incoming students, first years and transfers, only, I would shrug my shoulders and say okay.

[Rapscallion]

People are crying out about the discrimintation against transvestites, what about the blatant discrimination against the gangstas?

It's great, isn't it?



Rapscallion

[Flyndaran]

Being a gang member, or simply pretending to be, is not an intrinsic aspect of identity the way transvestitism is.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I think that a lot of wannabe gangstas would disagree with you. It's entirely their identity.

[Nyoibo]

I mostly brought that up to point out the stupidity of all of this, but it's still valid, this "dress code" impinges on other peoples ability to express what they feel is their identity yet no one is trying to defend them.

[Flyndaran]

I think that a lot of wannabe gangstas would disagree with you. It's entirely their identity.

I don't think so, but I would be perfectly fine hearing their argument.

[DesignFox]

Well, I think if everyone's going to get all bent out of shape over it, the school should just start requiring uniforms. Problem solved.

They all can dress the same and no one can express their identities in anyway, shape or form.

Can't have happy mediums, apparently, because someone will cry discrimination.

[Fire_on_High]

Exactly.

To use specific, politically correct terminology, they are discriminating against transvestites - men who choose to wear women's clothing. Oh, and sure they banned pajama pants and doo rags...but it seems to me that was tagged on so they wouldn't be accused of discrimination.

No, this isn't it at all. Do rags are part of a distinctly toxic urban culture, along with bling and saggy pants. PJ pants are just plain sloppy and disrespectful.

The whole point of this is to try and force young men who may never have had a lick of discipline in their lives to pay at least a degree of attention to looking like an acceptable human being! Not thuggish, not sloppy and ignorant.

I'd back them if they made dress slacks, shirt sleeves, and ties mandatory as well...it's a continuation of the same concept...get them used to how the civilized world expects respectable young businessmen to dress.

If they want to dress like women, gangstas, or layabouts there are a lot of other schools they can go do this at freely. Don't let the Morehouse door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

[Flyndaran]

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If they want to dress like women, gangstas, or layabouts there are a lot of other schools they can go do this at freely. Don't let the Morehouse door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

But isn't it insulting to compare those with a real psychological need to dress as women with violent thugs?
I still say that just being private shouldn't be a get out jail free card with regards to discrimination.

[Boozy]

But isn't it insulting to compare those with a real psychological need to dress as women with violent thugs?

Where are you getting this idea that cross-dressers must cross-dress? There is no literature or research that supports you in this.

Some cross-dressers may have that compulsion, but most do not. If one does feel an overwhelming compulsion to wear skirts and heels every single waking hour, then that would be a psychiatric issue.
I'm an actual woman, and I do not suffer extreme psychological distress when I'm asked to wear something other than frilly pink things.

Again - there is a difference between transvestites and transsexuals. And it is highly unlikely that someone who identifies as female would choose to attend an all-male school. It is safe to say that these guys are recreational cross-dressers.

[Fire_on_High]

Pretty much what Boozy said. I've got 3 CLOSE transsexual friends...all who'd go to great lengths to avoid being "imprisoned" in any all male institution. No way would someone who identified that strongly as female choose an all male school.

[Flyndaran]

Where are you getting this idea that cross-dressers must cross-dress? There is no literature or research that supports you in this.

Some cross-dressers may have that compulsion, but most do not. If one does feel an overwhelming compulsion to wear skirts and heels every single waking hour, then that would be a psychiatric issue.
I'm an actual woman, and I do not suffer extreme psychological distress when I'm asked to wear something other than frilly pink things.
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I know of no non-sarcastic way to say this. But people don't have to be exactly like you to be normal.
Having an object or group of objects that act to mediate anxiety is rather common. Never heard of a security blanket?
I would be ecstatic if wearing dresses helped my anxiety, even if only in my home. They don't... or maybe I should check just to make sure.

[DesignFox]

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I would be ecstatic if wearing dresses helped my anxiety, even if only in my home. They don't... or maybe I should check just to make sure.

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