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[smileyeagle1021]

You know, I have actually had a bit of an evalution with my opinion on this story.
When I first heard about it, I wasn't that different than violetyoshi in my opinion of the woman... I thought she was careless and negligent. After all, I see it all the time here. I've seen mothers who have had near calls with carriages running off on train platforms where the parent truly was negligent and left to go smoke, or use a cell phone, or just chat with friends. So it is very easy to just assume that this lady did just that. Then I have to remember, I've come damned close to hitting a kid with a car myself. I went to get into my car, checked behind it, didn't see anything, checked my mirrors, didn't see anything behind me, and then while backing up after only a few seconds I see a person running, waving her arms frantically, yelling at me to stop, which thank God I did quickly. What I didn't know was that during the time it took me to get from my trunk, into the driver seat, get the car started and everything adjusted before checking behind me again, a kid from the car that had just parked in the space across the row from me had gotten away from his parent and ran into my blind spot. I stopped inches short of the kid and seconds short of making it into the newspaper, not because I'm negligent or a bad person, but because who when getting into their car expects for a kid to randomly get away from their parent and into your blind spot so quickly.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Exactly my point. Kids are fast. They move suddenly. They are small, so they are hard to see. They are unpredictable. You learned first hand how quickly them can move and create a dangerous situation. If you were freaked out, imagine how freaked out his mom was.

That mom is in a tough spot. If you'd seen that happen instead of experiencing it with her, you would think "that mom was careless, how could you let go of your kid in a dangerous parking lot???"

However, had she been trying to keep that very thing from happening by putting her child on a tether, she'd be called "childish" and "helicopter parent" and "unable to master something as simple as gripping."

And had you hit him with your car, you'd be called "reckless" and "incompetent driver." Nobody would give you the benefit of the doubt, either.

[smileyeagle1021]

RK, you have no idea how true that is... my car was designed with one thing in mind, getting the most space into the smallest package... sadly that came at the expense of having a really large blind spot directly behind the car, something the designers didn't worry too much about because, after all, the car will spend most of its time going forward (and to give them credit, I am willing to deal with the blind spot for all the space that it opened up while still keeping my car, small, light weight, fuel efficient, and easy to handle).

[violetyoshi]

I don't see why people are so concerned with good parents who take care of their children. I think maybe they call them helicopter parents, and give them grief, just because their good parenting shines a light on those who aren't such good parents.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Great, you're back. You gonna answer my questions now?

[blas87]

There's a big difference between good parents and helictoper parents. That is a totally seperate topic.

[violetyoshi]

There's a big difference between good parents and helictoper parents. That is a totally seperate topic.

Really, well perhaps you want to start a thread and discuss it. I don't see what with so many parents who seemingly could care less about their children, why parents who are overprotective should be attacked.

[DesignFox]

Really, well perhaps you want to start a thread and discuss it. I don't see what with so many parents who seemingly could care less about their children, why parents who are overprotective should be attacked.

Because being overprotective is just as bad as being neglectful.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Really, well perhaps you want to start a thread and discuss it. I don't see what with so many parents who seemingly could care less about their children, why parents who are overprotective should be attacked.

Well, you are the one who wrote this:

Of course, we have to provide wrist tethers, cause the parents are still children themselves and have yet to master such things like gripping.

So you tell us.

It's a debate forum. Pick a side, and debate it. Please. I feel like I'm trying to navigate around a drunk driver.

[violetyoshi]

Well, you are the one who wrote this:




So you tell us.

It's a debate forum. Pick a side, and debate it. Please. I feel like I'm trying to navigate around a drunk driver.

I'm sorry, I didn't bring up the issue of helicopter parents, blas87 did. Maybe you want to ask them to get back on topic?

[LeChatNoir]

I'm sorry, I didn't bring up the issue of helicopter parents, blas87 did. Maybe you want to ask them to get back on topic?

You have been repeatedly asked questions regarding very specific portions of your posts within this thread. Apparently this simple task is beyond you, or you don't actually have any answers. I'm not quite sure what the case is. But nice try attempting to redirect to another poster while continuing to evade the questions put to you.

[violetyoshi]

You have been repeatedly asked questions regarding very specific portions of your posts within this thread. Apparently this simple task is beyond you, or you don't actually have any answers. I'm not quite sure what the case is. But nice try attempting to redirect to another poster while continuing to evade the questions put to you.

What do you want me to say? Could you please tell me?

[Lace Neil Singer]

This was a momentary lapse of concentration. I've seen the video. The woman took her hand off the buggy for just a couple of seconds, and the accident occurred. I don't grudge her talking about it; in her shoes, I'd do the same. I'd just be so happy that the child was safe.

This is different from a mother leaving her child alone save for two younger siblings in a hotel room. Yeah, I'm talking about the McCann case. While I feel sorry for the parents and for their poor daughter, who is either dead or suffering, this wasn't a momentary lapse; this was a deliberate leaving alone.

[BroomJockey]

What do you want me to say? Could you please tell me?

And while you are at it, please answer this yes or no question: Is there any aspect of your life where you are certain that you are not capable of screwing up or making a mistake?

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Which is it: a good idea, or the sign of a poor parent? Really unclear on what you are trying to say here. What is your point? Did you really make both of those "points" in the same thread?

Since the original questions were back a few pages, I felt bringing them back would help answer your question, VY, it's easy to lose track after that many posts.

So, what people want is a simple yes or no to the first question, and then clarification on whether wrist tethers are responsible parenting or the sign of an idiot, since you made two separate posts stating each.

[McDreidel09]

This was a momentary lapse of concentration. I've seen the video. The woman took her hand off the buggy for just a couple of seconds, and the accident occurred. I don't grudge her talking about it; in her shoes, I'd do the same. I'd just be so happy that the child was safe.

This is different from a mother leaving her child alone save for two younger siblings in a hotel room. Yeah, I'm talking about the McCann case. While I feel sorry for the parents and for their poor daughter, who is either dead or suffering, this wasn't a momentary lapse; this was a deliberate leaving alone.

All of that. Yes.

I wouldn't have sympathy if she had let go and walked away to get a cup of coffee, however that is not the case. She let go for a couple of seconds. With kids, anything could happen within a couple of seconds.

When my sister and I were younger, my grandma would take us to the grocery store and help us out with grocery shopping, since at that time, my mom was not in a good place. She would let my sister and I take a cart and get what we needed for our house. I was 13 at the time and more than capable of this task. I made my sister, who was 9 at the time, hold onto the cart. There were times I would turn my back for two seconds and she would be gone. She would be down the aisle a bit more, looking at something colorful, but that's still scary. Even being a sibling-parent is pretty tough.

To call this woman irresponsible is just not right at all. I am thankful for her that her child survived.