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    This sometimes comes up on the other sites I frequent, so I thought I would bounce it off the Fratching crowd to see what they had to say about it.

    Some people think that people who do not follow the Christian faith are being hypocritical if they celebrate Christmas. To some extent, I suppose a reasonable case can be made out of this. My family really isn't that religious, for the most part. In lieu of this, we have always celebrated Christmas together, so I admittedly never gave this issue much thought until a bunch of Evangelicals on the websites I frequent decided to make an issue out of it.

    To get back to the topic, though, Christmas is so prevalent in our society that it's hard not to acknowledge it in one form or another. Also, Christmas really isn't that much of a religious holiday anymore, even though it did have religious origins. I would be willing to be that most people, Christian or not, are probably not giving much thought to the birth of Jesus, the three wise men, the manger, and Virgin Mary when they celebrate Christmas. If they're kids, they're probably wondering how many items from their mile-long Christmas lists they will find wrapped up underneath the Christmas tree when it's time to unwrap gifts. If they're adults, they're probably thinking about having time off from work and spending that time socializing with friends and/or at family get-togethers. If not that, then they're probably hoping that the airports don't give them TOO many headaches or wondering if they'll get through Christmas dinner without losing their tempers on their in-laws.

    Anymore now, when some Evangelical gets worked up over non-Christians celebrating Christmas, I just ask them if they acknowledge the days of the week and months of the year.
    Last edited by guywithashovel; 11-05-2009, 11:59 PM.

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    I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. Why? Cuz to me, it's a secular occasion to get together with family that I don't see very often. Anyone who bitched at me about not being Christian and celebrating Christmas would be told to take the candy cane out their arse and fuck off.
    "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by guywithashovel View Post
      Some people think that people who do not follow the Christian faith are being hypocritical if they celebrate Christmas.
      Anyone who pulls that shit with me just gets a lecture about how Christmas was a co-opted holiday anyways, and they should shut up before they embarrass themselves.
      Any comment I make should not be taken as an absolute, unless I say it should be. Even this one.

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      • #4
        I agree heartily with all three posts.

        I absolutely LOVE Christmas. It makes me so happy, I get so much joy out of it, it is my absolute favourite anything. I get as excited as a little kid about it, and I still wake up at 4am on Christmas day because I'm so goddamn hyper.

        I hate Christianity.

        Anyone who wants to give me crap about that can just piss right off.

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        • #5
          Christmas is really two (at least) holidays in one. You don't have to be Christian to enjoy brightening up December with decorations, or having a day off for dinner with the extended family, or exchanging gifts. Indeed, some churches don't *allow* you to do those things then, simply because they didn't think of it first.

          However, if you're anything other than Christian, it would be pretty weird of you to attend Christmas Eve or Day church services.
          "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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          • #6
            Lol. I work all day Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day morning I sleep in til 11, then get up and go over to my parents' house. I couldn't go over any earlier, for my mum, who is Christian, does go to church when she can on Christmas Day. She's a district nurse, so sometimes has to be on call Christmas Day.
            "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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            • #7
              I wasnt raised beliving in santa, nor beliving that Jesus was born in a field in the middle of winter.

              I was raised that Christmas was a time of the year to be thankful for those areound you, that you made it through another year and that everything ends and begins anew. That it wasnt about what you got but what you had. Giving to others, gathering around with family and friends and enjoying that you had each other another year.

              I belive that people have the right to celebrate it as secular, religious or in my case a month of pretty lights and avoiding the mall lol.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BroomJockey View Post
                Anyone who pulls that shit with me just gets a lecture about how Christmas was a co-opted holiday anyways, and they should shut up before they embarrass themselves.
                This.

                Not to mention that scripture doesn't point to a December birth day at all. Middle Eastern winter nights, being an arid desert climate, are far to cold for shepherds to be watching their flocks at night outside. Jesus was likely born in October.

                The choice of December 25 was to steal adherents from other holidays. On the Julian calendar, 12/25 was the Winter Solstice. In addition, it was the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. A day celebrated by gift-giving, feasting..... Then a gigantic orgy. (Clearly, the current version of Christmas has left out the rather Caligula-like finale.)
                "Never confuse the faith with the so-called faithful." -- Cartoonist R.K. Milholland's father.
                A truer statement has never been spoken about any religion.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arcade Man D View Post
                  it was the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. A day celebrated by gift-giving, feasting..... Then a gigantic orgy. (Clearly, the current version of Christmas has left out the rather Caligula-like finale.)
                  More's the pity, anyone fancy a revival?
                  I am a sexy shoeless god of war!
                  Minus the sexy and I'm wearing shoes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arcade Man D View Post
                    Caligula-like
                    Caligula was friggin' metal.

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                    • #11
                      I can't believe anyone would give a damn what other people are doing in their homes. Really, who cares what anyone is celebrating?

                      Maybe Santa ought to think about bringing them a life for Christmas.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe we should bring back Krampus for some of these pathetic people. Let him beat the crap out of the complainers?

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                        • #13
                          "You really hate that my time of giving to loved ones coincides with yours? How ironically un-christmas-like of you."

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                          • #14
                            I'm sorry, but I do find it hypocritical.

                            You celebrate CHRISTmas, but you hate CHRISTianity? Please.

                            Just how thin can people slice hairs?

                            You aren't celebrating CHRISTmas, people. You are celebrating a seasonal holiday, a winter festival.
                            You are NOT celebrating CHRISTmas.

                            Truly celebrating Christmas means that you are actually honouring the birth of Christ, but what was known as "Christmas" has become way too commercial and secular so that it no longer bears any resemblance to the original meaning and reason for the holiday of CHRISTmas.

                            I always laugh at people of a certain religion who do not celebrate the holidays and condemn Christmas as secular and pagan, but never turn down the Christmas bonuses given to staff in celebration of it.

                            In my opinion, if they are that disgusted by a pagan holiday, then accepting money and perks in the name of that pagan holiday is hypocritical.

                            So, go ahead and celebrate your festival of winter if you want. Just don't call it "CHRISTmas"!
                            Point to Ponder:

                            Is it considered irony when someone on an internet forum makes a post that can be considered to look like it was written by a 3rd grade dropout, and they are poking fun of the fact that another person couldn't spell?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ree View Post
                              So, go ahead and celebrate your festival of winter if you want. Just don't call it "CHRISTmas"!
                              Are you serious?

                              I'll call it whatever I want, thankyou.

                              The english language is FULL of words that mean something completely different than what they originated as. Talk about splitting hairs.

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