Sexist Women

[jackfaire]

Why are you defending your attitude that it is the expectation that a woman present herself as pretty and in really nice clothes while accessorizing with jewelry. Then to say because your a woman you have a better idea of what that's like.

Uhm at what point did being a woman make you an expert on what men expect? Men like myself and others expect you to look professional I don't care if your wearing jewelry that is a personal choice not some expectation. If your working in an environment with that expectation you need to introduce them to the idea of equal rights.

No professional environment I have been in had different dress codes for women nor was the woman in Birkenstocks treated any differently than the one in heels.

I apologize if any of this is coming off as sexist but I seem to know a girl who thinks that rather than make her own identity she must co opt one and develop one and design it like you would a home.

Welcome to the 21st century where you can be whatever you want to be and if you want to dress in hoodies and jeans until your 60 because that is your generations style then do so. You don't have to start preparing yourself to dress like a 40 year old woman when your 27 and you really don't have to try to single handledly set back the feminist movement.

Cuz guess what I am a guy and we expect you to be yourselves.

[Boozy]

No professional environment I have been in had different dress codes for women nor was the woman in Birkenstocks treated any differently than the one in heels.

I disagree.

But it's not a sexist thing. It's just a "professional" vs "non-professional" thing. I know of several offices without stringent dress codes, and believe me the women who show up in Birkenstocks are limiting their career advancment prospects in ways that the women in dress shoes are not. The Birkenstock-wearing women won't get fired, but they aren't moving up either. They are seriously projecting the attitude that "This job and you people are not worth dressing up for." And the men who show up in jeans and sneakers are treated with less seriousness (not less respect) than those that wear dress shoes and Dockers.

[jackfaire]

Yes but that has to do with the expectations of professional dress not man vs woman. Yes I am more likely to get promoted wearing slacks and dress shoes than jeans and a t-shirt.

Oh and the woman in my office that wears Birkenstocks actually does so for medical reasons.

[ThePhoneGoddess]

It sounds like the girl you know is displacing her anger on men instead of where it should be placed, on the culture and society as a whole. It's not individual men who place that pressure on women, it's the culture, those cultural influences of fashion magazines, 90 pound models, actresses who go out in public after being done up by professionals every day, and porn stars who have fake breasts and permanent tans. Women in this country grow up with all of that shoved in their faces every single day, and if you don't fit into those molds it can be very frustrating.

Many men are influenced by these things too, and there are some men who do expect women to look and act like that, always perfect and dressed to the nines.

Both sexes, as they get older, tend to learn that it's all bullshit. If this girl hasn't figured that out yet, then it's her problem.

[jackfaire]

It sounds like the girl you know is displacing her anger on men instead of where it should be placed, .

What anger no see she not only feels that is the way it is but the way it should be. She feels women should be planning their jewelry collection now (age 27) so they have pieces they can wear at work when they are 40 so they look pretty in the work place. To quote her, "It's part of the whole presentation people should be looking at the way you dress" Then she went on to point out that the only women who find themselves in the business world are the women that want to dress up in pretty clothes and jewelry and the rest "manifest" for themselves other jobs.

I was shocked and a bit angry.

[Nyoibo]

Then she went on to point out that the only women who find themselves in the business world are the women that want to dress up in pretty clothes and jewelry and the rest "manifest" for themselves other jobs.

She's wrong, who dress profesionally do, looking pretty and professonal aren't mutully exclusive, but just pretty no.

[jackfaire]

She's wrong, who dress profesionally do, looking pretty and professonal aren't mutully exclusive, but just pretty no.

She tried to make the case that women have to be more pleasing to look at when working.

She kept putting it in terms of professional but when I compared professional clothing (male) to Professional clothing (female) she kept emphasizing basically decorating yourself.

Edit:

Maybe I should not be dating this girl

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Dude, I'm having trouble following what's going on in your posts. I feel like I missed a couple episodes. Help me out here.

[Fire_on_High]

Maybe I should not be dating this girl

No, no you shouldn't be.

Don't expect to hear the usual nonjudgemental, only you can know what's best crap from me, as I don't do nonjudgemental. She's gonna bleed you dry for fripperies if you marry her, and may well try it before. Run, don't walk, unless letting someone live like a princess is what you wish to devote your finances to.

[blas87]

You guys may not believe me, but I have known quite a few girls who are sexist towards their own gender, other girls.

One of my acquaintances I talk about sometimes, the one who yells at me because I don't drive drunk and entertain her 24/7....she seems to absolutely hate girls in general.

She has almost nothing positive to say about other girls, and constantly calls other girls sluts and whores for no reason whatsoever, but whenever I'd tell her stories of creepy guys at the bar or at work, she'd verbally smack my hand and start on a rant of "How dare you be such a bitch! I'm sure those guys are really nice and probably just don't know how to approach you and you have to be so stuck up about it!" but then turn around and when her guy friend talked about girls hitting on him, she'd say "Those stupid drunk sluts just never give up, do they?"

[jackfaire]

The weird thing is she isn't into marriage or the princess thing she just has very firm, "Men and Women are different and here is the list"

I told her yesterday that I agree with an earlier assessment of hers that we need to just be friends.

[Flyndaran]

The weird thing is she isn't into marriage or the princess thing she just has very firm, "Men and Women are different and here is the list"

I told her yesterday that I agree with an earlier assessment of hers that we need to just be friends.

I'm not sure I could be friends with a sexist person. There are faults I can live with in myself and others, but there are some that I refuse to tolerate. Sexism is one of them.

[jackfaire]

I'm not sure I could be friends with a sexist person. There are faults I can live with in myself and others, but there are some that I refuse to tolerate. Sexism is one of them.

She lives a 45 min drive away from me more the kind of friend I talk to sometimes on the phone and invite for holidays.

We were toying with the idea of dating but I just cant' do it.

Plus she is one of only 2 people who knew me when I was fresh out of highschool wet behind the ears. It's nice having people like that in my life even though sometimes I want to hit them with a clue by four.