US Committed Murder Tod...I Mean Carried Out the Death Penalty

[Greenday]

It's been a long time since we had a thread soley on the death penalty (over two years and I hate digging up threads that old). But anywho, The US condemned the DC Sniper for murdering people because murder is wrong! So as a result we murder him...Seems a tad backwards to me, neh?

[crashhelmet]

He gave up his right to life the moment he took someone else's.

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[Gerrinson]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with crashhelmet on this one.

Its kind of like a rabid dog - you put him down for the safety of everyone else.

[Mr Slugger]

Yeah I can't say it any better. To me when you kill a person you've given up your life. When you kill many people you should get taken straight to the front of the line.

[Rapscallion]

You know me. I'm againt gun ownership barring certain specific cases. I'm pro-social systems that benefit everyone (health care, for one). On this? Fuck him.

If someone can be proven to be reliably the murderer with intent to kill, stop them and stop them permanently.

Rapscallion

[Fashion Lad!]

I used to be for the death penalty. Now I'm not.

He does give up his rights when he takes someone's life. That's a given. He does need to pay for what he's done. In the big grand scheme of things, putting someone to death is murder. Regardless of what we've done, we're still killing someone.

It's more cost-effective to keep someone in jail for life than it is to execute them. We've had innocent people executed. There are states that are allowing minors, tried as adults, to be executed. Our court system isn't perfect. Nothing they do should be so absolute as executing someone.

[Peppergirl]

It's more cost-effective to keep someone in jail for life than it is to execute them.

Do you have a source for this info? I'd always heard the opposite. Just curious.

[McDreidel09]

Fashion Lad is right. It is more cost effective to keep them in jail for life.

The reason: They can fight the death sentence in court as much as they want. Thus, they get a Public Defender and the costs add up.

However, if that right were to be taken away, then it would be more cost effective to execute.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I'm not in favor of the death penalty because I don't believe in "revenge" punishments.

I'm in favor of it because I'm fucking sick of repeat offenders.

People say "the death penalty does not deter crime." Well, guess what? It will deter this asshole forever. 100 percent money back guarantee.

I am way more concerned for the people he murdered, and the people he would murder in the future. The guy is a murderer. I'm not willing to take the chance he won't do it again with someone else's life. Not even the life of his cellmate in prison.

So yeah. Stop the guy. Permanently.

[Greenday]

However, if that right were to be taken away, then it would be more cost effective to execute.

So are you saying we should deny people's right to an attorney? To adequately defend themselves?

[Mr Slugger]

I'm not in favor of the death penalty because I don't believe in "revenge" punishments.

I'm in favor of it because I'm fucking sick of repeat offenders.

People say "the death penalty does not deter crime." Well, guess what? It will deter this asshole forever. 100 percent money back guarantee.

I am way more concerned for the people he murdered, and the people he would murder in the future. The guy is a murderer. I'm not willing to take the chance he won't do it again with someone else's life. Not even the life of his cellmate in prison.

So yeah. Stop the guy. Permanently.

You know that's the way I look at it too. I mean what's to say prison stops him from killing? What happens if he breaks out of prison and goes on another murder spree, or beats another inmate to death, etc. And honestly I look at it like this. If the state pays $8 million to build a bridge and there's a 95% chance of it lasting 50 years I'd rather them spend the $10 million and make sure that there's a 100% chance it will last 50 years. And on top of it the prison has an extra bed available after he's gone.

On the note of the death penalty doesn't deter crime. I think as it is now it doesn't because it's lethal injection. But I seem to recall in high school while being taught about it that there was actually statistics that said that the electric chair & gas chamber did slightly (and I did say slightly) deter people because it was such a bad way to go.

[lordlundar]

So are you saying we should deny people's right to an attorney? To adequately defend themselves?

When even the supreme court has declared the person guilty and the death penalty is a fair sentence? Yeah. Why should they be allowed to find loopholes for another 20 years that allow them another 2 years per loophole to leech off the system?

[blas87]

We already all know my stance on this.

That fucker better burn in hell, and he got exactly what he deserved.

I'm glad I'm not the minority opinion here. Too many people care too much about the murderer and not the victim or their families and friends. And that anyone who believes in the death penalty are mean, evil spirited vile people who can't get over things and move on with life and are bitter and vengeful blah blah blah blah blah...

Well at least we finally put another sick bastard to death.

[BroomJockey]

Too many people care too much about the murderer and not the victim or their families and friends. And that anyone who believes in the death penalty are mean, evil spirited vile people who can't get over things and move on with life and are bitter and vengeful blah blah blah blah blah...

Way to progress a meaningful dialogue. No, really, I mean that. Absolutely no one is going to fear disagreeing with you after that. It's posts like this that really make the other side think about their position, and why they hold it, and maybe, just maybe, change their mind.

[Pedersen]

However, if that right were to be taken away, then it would be more cost effective to execute.

So are you saying we should deny people's right to an attorney? To adequately defend themselves?

Wow. I have to wonder if that came from a standard issue jump to conclusions mat (tm, patent pending, protected by copyright, etc), or if you had it custom made? Considering that her comparison had something to do with the way things are here, and your response seemed to have been copied from an alternate dimension where she actually said something similar to "fuck the accused, the only thing they should get is boned. Repeatedly.", I'm going to guess custom made.

McDreidel didn't even imply that the right should be taken away. She made a simple comparison: Since death row inmates have "A", the costs of executions go up. If death row inmates did not have "A", then costs for execution would be lower.