US Committed Murder Tod...I Mean Carried Out the Death Penalty

[Mr Slugger]

So what, if they didn't have the death penalty then that would magically make them safer around others?

Good point there. I've heard those excuses before. I've also heard it's for their protection because hey you never know another inmate might want to carry out the death penalty for the state. My response is so, they're going to die anyway.

[Greenday]

So what, if they didn't have the death penalty then that would magically make them safer around others?

Serial killers and such do not randomly pick their targets. They don't kill everyone they see. They wouldn't just start killing everyone within their reach in prison.

[Lace Neil Singer]

This guy did.

He said "I'll kill the next guy who bothers me" and yup, he did. Carl Panzram was indeed a serial killer; also one who agreed with the death penalty. Who's to say that he's a rarity? Why wouldn't someone commit a murder in prison purely to get the death penalty, or cuz they felt they had nothing to lose by doing so?

[Greenday]

So it happened once, meaning they all will? Yea...

[Lace Neil Singer]

I'm not saying that at all. You however, said that serial killers wouldn't ever kill someone in prison. I proved you wrong. Never did I say that they all would, and I wouldn't anyway cuz serial killers are different beings. They have different motives, different victims and different reasons to kill. Also, not all the people on death row are serial killers, so your logic is skewed. I don't feel strongly either way on the subject; I'm just merely pointing out flaws to your posts. XD Just as I would if the other side made a point that needed debunking.

[BroomJockey]

They don't kill everyone they see. They wouldn't just start killing everyone within their reach in prison.

I'm not saying that at all. You however, said that serial killers wouldn't ever kill someone in prison.

Interesting interpretation. May I enquire as to the chromatic hue of the sky in your world?

[linguist]

So what, if they didn't have the death penalty then that would magically make them safer around others?

perhaps. sentencing someone to die means they no longer have anything left to lose, therefore they have the potential to be even more dangerous.

[Greenday]

I'm not saying that at all. You however, said that serial killers wouldn't ever kill someone in prison. I proved you wrong.

Quote me where I said that.

[DesignFox]

perhaps. sentencing someone to die means they no longer have anything left to lose, therefore they have the potential to be even more dangerous.

But if they are already proven to be extremely dangerous, I would think they'd still be separated, whether or not they are sentenced to die. I don't see how not being sentenced to die will all of a sudden turn a violent sociopath into a regular, run of the mill prisoner. That person still needs to be held under maximum security conditions. It isn't only for the safety of the other prisoners, but let's think about our prison guards and staff, hmm?

I wish Kara were around. Maybe she'd have some clues for us...since she works in a prison and has worked around some of the nastiest of the nasty. I forget where those threads are on CS. I made the mistake of looking up the names of one of the prisoners she tended to...he is the stuff nightmares are made of. Don't remember if he has been sentenced to death or life imprisonment. She described the situation as "looking into a person's eyes and seeing that they have no soul" or something like that.

[DesignFox]

Serial killers and such do not randomly pick their targets. They don't kill everyone they see. They wouldn't just start killing everyone within their reach in prison.

Here's your quote Greenday.

Maybe we all misunderstood it. But it looks like you're saying that serial killers won't touch their fellow inmates simply because they won't be their "type."

I think you meant to say that not all the inmates and staff will meet the killer's victim profile, so it is unlikely that those people would be targets. But, uh...you want to take that chance? You are on the side of: "ONE innocent life lost is one too many."

Wanna take the chance that your serial killer will feel more noble simply because he's not sentenced to die? I know nothing about prison systems, but I'm pretty sure maximum security and solitary confinement punishments are based upon more than the prisoner's sentence.

[Greenday]

Here's your quote Greenday.

Maybe we all misunderstood it. But it looks like you're saying that serial killers won't touch their fellow inmates simply because they won't be their "type."

I think you meant to say that not all the inmates and staff will meet the killer's victim profile, so it is unlikely that those people would be targets. But, uh...you want to take that chance? You are on the side of: "ONE innocent life lost is one too many."

Wanna take the chance that your serial killer will feel more noble simply because he's not sentenced to die? I know nothing about prison systems, but I'm pretty sure maximum security and solitary confinement punishments are based upon more than the prisoner's sentence.

I said serial killers pick people for a reason. Some psycho proving his point does not mean all murderers are like him. Someone is sentenced to death, so they kill everyone in sight? I don't buy it. And I don't think any that are mentally healthy would honestly would kill other prisoners. It'd be the mentally unhealthy that don't belong in prison and belong in a mental institution that'd murder...in prison.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I wasn't saying anything of the kind. Just pointing out that a serial killer might well kill someone in prison. Also, not all serial killers have women as their targets, so they might well find a victim in prison who fitted their victim profile.

There's also the tiny fact that the other prisoners might try to kill THEM. Especially if they killed women or children, especially if their crimes were sexual.

[DesignFox]

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There's also the tiny fact that the other prisoners might try to kill THEM. Especially if they killed women or children, especially if their crimes were sexual.

Also a good point.

[Greenday]

Just pointing out that a serial killer might well kill someone in prison.

There's also the tiny fact that the other prisoners might try to kill THEM. Especially if they killed women or children, especially if their crimes were sexual.

So may a petty thief or a druggie.

This is probably more likely than anything. Murders in prison is still pretty uncommon. But I don't think someone in prison would kill a murder in jail just because he/she killed a woman or kids, even if the murder involve sexual assault.

Honestly, I'm not sure how to resolve the issue of integrating them into the regular prison system, but seeing as their are murderers in jail as it is, I don't think it would be that tough.